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Trying to understand serial to parallel circuit

opalko
opalko over 3 years ago

Hi again folks (after some time away!),
When I was a teen, I had an Atari 800 computer/ The Atari did not have a parallel port interface.  All they had were the joystick ports, which were serial.  A clever company came up with a serial->parallel port interface.  Me, not knowing much about electronics, could not figure out how they did this.  (PS -I still don't know much about electronics!!!).

Flash forward 40 years and this past week I decided to take apart the serial->parallel interface and reverse engineer this thing! I took apart and there are 2 chips - a 74LS14, and a 74LS164, a resistor and a capacitor. Next step was to draw the schematic, which I did with pencil and paper. This became messy, so I resorted to learning to use KiCad, and came up with the attached drawing. (see attachments)

I get what makes this work is the 74LS164 8 bit parallel-out serial shift register. I still don't really understand how it works though.  As I understand it, the data on this register may be read out in parallel (from all flip-flops) at once.
So some questions!

0) Can someone explain how this whole interface works!?

1) How is the data being read on the printer side?  Is the printer polling every data pin on the parallel port at once regardless of how many are actually being used?

2) Since there are really only 2 address data pins (3 & 5) being used here, it doesn't seem a vast improvement over serial?  But I guess because the Atari only has pins 1-4 for I/O and 1 of those sends the data to the 74LS164?

Thanks for any help understanding this.
Robert Opalko

PS There doesn't seem to be nearly as many members on this forum as there was in the past... Where did everyone go?

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  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 3 years ago in reply to opalko +4
    try this link: computer.howstuffworks.com/parallel-port1.htm this says that IBM did it but in fact, It was Wang labs. and en.wikipedia.org/.../Centronics
  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 3 years ago +4
  • dougw
    dougw over 3 years ago +3
    I don't get it either. A Centronics printer needs 8 data bits and some handshaking to work - this doesn't even have enough pins connected. On a Centronics connector all pins from 19-30 and 33 are ground…
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    0 beacon_dave over 3 years ago
    opalko said:
    2) Since there are really only 2 address data pins (3 & 5) being used here, it doesn't seem a vast improvement over serial?  But I guess because the Atari only has pins 1-4 for I/O and 1 of those sends the data to the 74LS164?

    I think we can probably skip over this one due to the errors found in the original schematic. Probably less of a performance issue and more of a compatibility issue as the Atari didn't have a Centronics parallel interface and a lot of printers didn't have a serial interface, so a convertor was required just to get the two to talk. Also with home printers, speed was often limited by the speed of the printer mechanics. Some had larger memory buffer options that allowed you to dump the data into the printer and leave it to do its own thing whilst you used the computer for something else, but that bumped up the cost. Some commercial line printers did however go really fast. 

    (...which reminds me a531016 how about a tear down of an old line printer for an episode of The Electronics Inside ? )

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    0 opalko over 3 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Cool thanks for that explanation!

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    0 opalko over 3 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Cool thanks for that explanation!

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