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Electrolytic Capacitor replacement

Jrossanderson
Jrossanderson over 2 years ago

Hi, I recently came into possession of a Philips Pm3214 Oscilloscope. After some preliminary testing, I’ve found that the scope seems to work quite well, however I have not checked any esr values of the electrolytic caps, mainly because I don’t have an LCR meter. I have the scope mostly disassembled right now as I plan to clean the contacts on the switches. My question is, with the scope working (as best I can tell) the way it ought to, should I bother with going through and replacing all the caps? Or follow the rule of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”? 

thanks,

Ross

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 2 years ago +3
    Hi Ross, The rule has a lot of merit. Personally I would not mess with the capacitors unless you are having a problem or if you can see evidence of leakage from the capacitors. John
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to jw0752 +3
    that said, the electrolytes in the Philips oscilloscope's switch mode power supply of that era are known to be bad. Symptom: the device will switch on and work for a time. Then smoke, and the rectifier…
  • Jrossanderson
    Jrossanderson over 2 years ago in reply to baldengineer +3
    Hi James, thanks for the response. I was hoping I might snag your opinion. I’ve seen just about all of your workbench Wednesdays. That’s what prompted me to come over here and make an account. I will go…
  • jw0752
    0 jw0752 over 2 years ago

    Hi Ross,

    The rule has a lot of merit. Personally I would not mess with the capacitors unless you are having a problem or if you can see evidence of leakage from the capacitors.

    John

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  • Jan Cumps
    0 Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to jw0752

    that said, the electrolytes in the Philips oscilloscope's switch mode power supply of that era are known to be bad. 

    Symptom: the device will switch on and work for a time. Then smoke, and the rectifier bridge (typically a flat package on these scopes)  dies. No visible leakage before and after dying.
    These are Philips capacitors. They were excellent, and did their duty for the specified life. But the Philips ones used in the power supply *are* bad by now.

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    0 baldengineer over 2 years ago

    I strongly suggest replacing electrolytic caps when you are in maintenance or repair mode

    Electrolytics absolutely have a limited operational (and shelf) life and will eventually require replacement. And I prefer to err on the side of replacing before they fail so they do not take out other stuff with them. In general, if a device is more than 10 years old and I have my soldering iron out for any reason, I take the time to re-cap it.

    Leaking electrolytics are not always obvious and dead caps are not always buldging. These reasons are why I do not put faith in the "if it ain't broke" mentality. Like all preventative maintenance, you want to perform it before the "breaking" action happens.

    That said, I do not recommend re-capping as a first (or near first) soldering project. There are enough unique situations that properly removing the caps may take some soldering skill.

    By the way, I did a video on HOW to select electrolytic replacements once you have them out.

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    0 Jrossanderson over 2 years ago in reply to baldengineer

    Hi James, thanks for the response. I was hoping I might snag your opinion. I’ve seen just about all of your workbench Wednesdays. That’s what prompted me to come over here and make an account. I will go ahead and replace them. It makes sense to do so while I have the scope pulled apart. Thanks for the input and I look forward to more workbench Wednesdays. 

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    0 Jrossanderson over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Yea I think you are both right. A lot of times one can end up messing something up that wasn’t broke trying to do maintenance, but as you said, Jan, even if the scope is working, the caps are probably dried out and will fail sooner rather than later. As I said to James, I will go ahead and replace them. Makes sense, being that the scope is already disassembled. Thanks for the input. 

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  • baldengineer
    0 baldengineer over 2 years ago in reply to Jrossanderson

    Glad to hear that!

    Let me or others in the community know if you need help.

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