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Element 14 Audio Grade Capacitors

Rocketeer
Rocketeer over 2 years ago

Hi All.

Hoping someone can advise.

I inherited some early vintage Japanese Loudspeakers needing rejuvenation.

Nothing fancy, just loudspeakers from small systems.

I think their worthwhile as they're from a bygone era.

They're fitted with various electrolytic capacitors maybe 40 - 50 years old.

Mostly single caps servicing the tweeters & ranging from 1.8µF to 3.3µF.

I don't want to over capitalize so thought electrolytic over film as they are not cutting edge hifi speakers.

Is there anything recommended from the element14 catalogue to replace the existing caps?

I'm open to both electrolytic & film depending on performance vs cost vs suitability to each application.

I haven't removed any of the caps for a test, but am going by their age & the general life of electrolytics.

cheers

Rocketeer (Rocky)

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago +3
    To be truly honest, most of the Hi-Fi stuff is "snake oil" - differences in capacitors may cause subtle differences in audio but it's hard to say a given capacitor is necessary "sounding better" than another…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 2 years ago in reply to Rocketeer +1
    It just means that the value of capacitance is more tightly controlled (for a 5%) capacitor. In a cross over circuit a 20% error in capacitance could give you a 20% variation in turnover frequency. …
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to Rocketeer +1
    I am an element14 and audiokarma community member :). Adore electronics and audio. A standard capacitor that meets the original specs will do. I am not usually suggesting to replace components if all…
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    0 Gough Lui over 2 years ago

    To be truly honest, most of the Hi-Fi stuff is "snake oil" - differences in capacitors may cause subtle differences in audio but it's hard to say a given capacitor is necessary "sounding better" than another, and even if they do initially, this may change throughout the lifetime. Degraded capacitors will cause increased hum, shifts in crossover frequencies, or perhaps non-linearities to arise. As long as the capacitors meet the designers' original intent, the equipment should perform to spec. Anything beyond that is sometimes "placebo" when people convince themselves that they've improved something because they've changed X, but in reality, it may not be (objectively) better.

    But for those who believe in the superiority of certain capacitors, I'd probably stick with Nichicon (Japanese) capacitors myself. Certain series of theirs are "specifically" targeted at audio applications. This site seems to have a good summary of them: https://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/nichicon.html That being said, once you know which series, you can go wherever and source the values you need, assuming you can find them. The FG series is particularly sought after, so you might find it very hard ...

    Other than them, I'd say ELNA is also worth a look if you can find them. Otherwise, "standard" stuff from Rubycon or Panasonic is likely to be much better than actually needed.

    - Gough

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    0 Rocketeer over 2 years ago in reply to Gough Lui

    Thanks Gough.

    I wish I could establish the answer to the issue you raise regarding the performance of caps in audio scientifically.

    If I had a pile of money & lots of spare time I'd definitely set up a test lab and make an assessment.

    I've found many align with your view while others swear by a caps performance beyond its µF value.

    Some who have done that and report that many caps need to go through a burn in process to fully reveal their character, and that sonic results are not just down to individual caps but also their compatibility with the speakers involved. For example, if a cap is overly bright, it will be a poor match with bright speakers.

    Also, if a Speaker is of low quality or is lacking in certain frequencies, then a cap which excels in these frequencies will not reveal its capability.

    Then there are listeners whose hearing varies considerably.

    Individuals will favor certain frequencies and may never be able to hear subtleties beyond their hearing range.

    What I'm looking for is the best bang for buck capacitors which align with the speakers they'll be used in.

    For example:

    I don't want to fit a $10 cap in a pair of speakers which might sell for $30 but would like to improve their sound.

    The 50 year old electrolytic caps currently in place must be well and truly dried out by now. 

    For these I'd try to source neutral sounding electrolytic caps which are cheaper, but would be disappointed if the replacements added a distorted or skewed sound.

    Alternatively, if I have nice speakers fitted with old original electrolytic caps, I'd consider investing a little more, but not go over board in terms of realizing an acceptable sound.

    Was hoping some of the engineers might have first hand knowledge on what to avoid, or what would work well.

    cheers  Rocky

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    0 Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to Rocketeer

    I am an element14 and audiokarma community member :). Adore electronics and audio.

    A standard capacitor that meets the original specs will do. I am not usually suggesting to replace components if all is still OK.
    Replacing electrolytes after 50 years makes sense though - if you have the speakers open anyway. They have an end life (hello Philips Slight smile )

    A generic capacitor with similar specs and known good vendor will do for audio. 

    If you exceed the existing voltage rating, that's OK. Don't divert too much from the existing capacitance. That impacts the filtering.

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    0 Rocketeer over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Thanks Jan.

    Any particular supplier you recommend?

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    0 Rocketeer over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Thanks Jan.

    Any particular supplier you recommend?

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    0 anniel747 over 2 years ago in reply to Rocketeer

    Global aware farnell / newark / element14 store link

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