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Selecting 83C154 (8051) replacement

zelbi
zelbi over 1 year ago

Hello. I have a project from 1990's with a 83C154  microcontroller (8051).

Can somebody suggest a replacement popular 8051 derivative, good tools and long availability? The whole project was written in assembler with BSO/tasking assembler and tools. So minimal uC layout changes are preferred due to the assembly nature of the project. 

Thanks :-)

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  • misaz
    misaz over 1 year ago in reply to BigG +3
    they realesed new 8051 families in 2021 . It is interesting to see hidden market demands. But of course, they are not compatible with the chip mentioned in question.
  • JWx
    JWx over 1 year ago in reply to rsjawale24 +2
    and it is still actively manufactured I think - it is marked as preferred replacement for 89C52.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to misaz +2
    It also gets used a lot inside chips for 'glue code', e.g. where that microcontroller core is not a key part of the chip, but performs basic housekeeping stuff like initializing things or adding a tiny…
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    0 shabaz over 1 year ago

    Hi,

    If it's a project worth doing, it may well be worth redoing in C, replacing with a completely different chip of your preference. Especially if you have the assembler listing and if it's understandable (some are not that easy, but worth closely examining in case it all makes sense).

    It could even be mounted on a small board that could be plugged in to the existing microcontroller socket perhaps, if you're using the original PCBs for the project.

    I built a DIY project from an article, that uses an 8051-based chip (8051 core in my case), and it's been a constant irritation because I do not have the development environment set up to easily make modifications to suit my needs over the years. If you intend to share your project with others, they too would appreciate a more modern microcontroller and C code rather than assembler, most likely.

    If you're talking about a commercial project, then that's a different matter, you may wish to make as few changes to the code as possible to reduce chance of introducing problems, so then I can understand the need to find a close replacement chip. In one project, I had to do something similar (it wasn't 8051), and the replacement happened to be in a different package, so as well as the code changes, there would need to be hardware changes. Rather than change the PCB, an add-on board was created that could be soldered in place.

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    0 shabaz over 1 year ago

    Hi,

    If it's a project worth doing, it may well be worth redoing in C, replacing with a completely different chip of your preference. Especially if you have the assembler listing and if it's understandable (some are not that easy, but worth closely examining in case it all makes sense).

    It could even be mounted on a small board that could be plugged in to the existing microcontroller socket perhaps, if you're using the original PCBs for the project.

    I built a DIY project from an article, that uses an 8051-based chip (8051 core in my case), and it's been a constant irritation because I do not have the development environment set up to easily make modifications to suit my needs over the years. If you intend to share your project with others, they too would appreciate a more modern microcontroller and C code rather than assembler, most likely.

    If you're talking about a commercial project, then that's a different matter, you may wish to make as few changes to the code as possible to reduce chance of introducing problems, so then I can understand the need to find a close replacement chip. In one project, I had to do something similar (it wasn't 8051), and the replacement happened to be in a different package, so as well as the code changes, there would need to be hardware changes. Rather than change the PCB, an add-on board was created that could be soldered in place.

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    0 zelbi over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    That's right, it is a commercial project, and I would like to change as little assembler code as possible. I don't want to redo it in C, because it would involve single stepping/tracing the existing code to fully understand it, which is not possible.  A contemporary IDE would give me the option of replacing some sections with C, which is desirable of course. I don't have an ICE or any debugger for the existing code, so very hard to analyze it.

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