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Selecting 83C154 (8051) replacement

zelbi
zelbi over 2 years ago

Hello. I have a project from 1990's with a 83C154  microcontroller (8051).

Can somebody suggest a replacement popular 8051 derivative, good tools and long availability? The whole project was written in assembler with BSO/tasking assembler and tools. So minimal uC layout changes are preferred due to the assembly nature of the project. 

Thanks :-)

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  • misaz
    misaz over 2 years ago in reply to BigG +3
    they realesed new 8051 families in 2021 . It is interesting to see hidden market demands. But of course, they are not compatible with the chip mentioned in question.
  • JWx
    JWx over 2 years ago in reply to rsjawale24 +2
    and it is still actively manufactured I think - it is marked as preferred replacement for 89C52.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to misaz +2
    It also gets used a lot inside chips for 'glue code', e.g. where that microcontroller core is not a key part of the chip, but performs basic housekeeping stuff like initializing things or adding a tiny…
  • Jan Cumps
    0 Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Rumour says that i2c sensor manufacturers like to put a 8051 on the silicon for running its state machine.

    Each time the same mask. And a lot of the code is reusable and proven working million of times.

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  • genebren
    0 genebren over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    True, the 8051 inside the FX2 is primarily used to assist in the setup of the USB endpoints and such.  But, I used the FX2 chip to do a whole lot more.  I built a DSP-based data collection device, with FX2 chip as the USB transceiver.  I ended up having the FX2 fully involved in booting up the DSP and controlling several board features.  I directed a USB endpoint to the 8051 and decoded packets perform various features/functions.

    The FX2 was a steep learning curve, but I really did enjoy using that chip. 

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Makes sense.. Sounds perfect for dropping a tiny 8051 in some area of the chip : ) 

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to genebren

    It's a great chip, although as you say quite a learning curve. Cypress didn't help matters when FX3 was released, they mixed up a lot of FX2 and FX3 documentation online, and as a result it's really quite hard to set up a development environment for FX2, the links to resources point all over the place : ( Plus then the whole Zadig thing was an irritant, I wish they had EEPROM internally to the FX2 for all that.

    I think I eventually managed to have an environment that would build for FX2, but no idea how I got there, I had to install and uninstall quite a few things!

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  • zelbi
    0 zelbi over 2 years ago in reply to JWx

    I am not planning to do any upgrade/development. Just use the existing code as is, with zero changes, if possible, It has 16K of ROM, which is sufficient. 

    But I would like to use modern tools like IAR, Keil IDE etc. Do the newer 8051 derivatives have debugger (Jtag) support?

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    0 zelbi over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    May I ask what chip is that, 8051 code + USB + ADC? Does it have a Jtag that I can use for Assembly debugging? And how do I search microcontrollers with 8051 code + extra features?

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    0 zelbi over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    That's right, it is a commercial project, and I would like to change as little assembler code as possible. I don't want to redo it in C, because it would involve single stepping/tracing the existing code to fully understand it, which is not possible.  A contemporary IDE would give me the option of replacing some sections with C, which is desirable of course. I don't have an ICE or any debugger for the existing code, so very hard to analyze it.

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  • michaelkellett
    0 michaelkellett over 2 years ago in reply to zelbi

    Silabs have a range of 8051+ processors. The last one I used was a 100MHz variant. (And thats 2 clock per machine cycle as well !).

    https://www.silabs.com/mcu/8-bit-microcontrollers

    Some of the peripherals (especially ADC) are pretty good.

    But a 50MHz ARM Cortex is now much cheaper and much faster.

    I haven't used an 8051 for about 16 years !

    MK

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  • JWx
    0 JWx over 2 years ago in reply to zelbi

    So it seems that it is large-scale production if MCU with your code in ROM (factory prepared read only memory) were bought from the manufacturer - if you need many thousands of these maybe some manufacturer is going to prepare a batch of them for you (especially when you still have specs from previous manufacturing runs)?

    BTW - you cannot buy them from the market if you expect your code to be present in ROM.

    What package is used in your project?

    There seems to be a piggyback version: M85C154 (but with unknown availability) in DIP40 - where you can attach EPROM emulator on top of the MCU to make development easier, but I don't think that any "classic" 8051 has any debug interface present - only ISP (maybe those newer families have something but they would require some daughterboard - as shabaz has mentioned - to be installed in place of original part)

    BTW - 89S52 is 8KB Flash only - I was assuming that your project is using external EPROM (only rarely one encounters a project of the scale that can afford preparing a dedicated ROM version - especially from the times when ROM was not programmed but etched in silicon with the rest of MCU) - 16KB seems to be present only in newer '51 families (along with USB/ADC/... options and even debug interfaces, but also with modern SMD packages)

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    0 JWx over 2 years ago in reply to zelbi

    during a quick search for 16KB FLASH '51 I have found for example C8051F321-GM (expensive and rather outdated [not recommended for new designs]) but with USB, ADC and a debug interface it seems

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