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MMM (Multifrequency, Modulated, and Multi-wave) Ultrasonic Technology

Rick1234
Rick1234 2 months ago

Hello Element14 community!

My quest is to build an MMM ultrasonic water treatment system for use in the motel and laundromat industries.  

Basically, to ultrasonically negate the scaling ability of the minerals in the water before they can form on the inside of the pipes and heat exchangers walls.

The MMM paradigm greatly eases the normally strict mechanical ultrasonic interface to the target load ..... as the MMM generator constantly frequency "sweeps" and "optimizes" its effects on the scaling minerals in the water.    

My early thoughts:

PC control to set parameters (power, frequency sweep, modulation, etc)  +  Adaptive Digital Signal Processor (ADSP)  + Ultrasonic Power Driver  

Minimum ultrasonic "contact" time with the scaling minerals (calcium & magnesium)  during a max. 50 gpm water flow rate = 1.5 seconds

Ultrasonic transducer and horn to be of a "clamp-on" type design (ie: surrounding the water feed pipe)

The main attribute of MMM is its ability to "self-adapt" to any varying physical sonic envelope and load ..... on-the fly! (w/feedback loop sensor) 

Its my contention, that in this application, the sonic envelope (pipe) and load (water) is "fixed" and should afford a simpler software implementation script. 

Where to start?  (Note: i'm day one working with ultrasonics!)    

Can anyone recommend a preassembled factory evaluation ADSP board suitable for this application and an ultrasonic power driver board?  

Thank-you!

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett 2 months ago +3 suggested
    I am extremely dubious that ultrasonic excitation of water in pipe will have any effect at all on scaling downstream of the excitation area. Do you have any research data that suggests this actually…
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  • SensoredHacker0
    0 SensoredHacker0 11 days ago

    would ionizing your water have the same effect without the technological overhead. 
    I've no dbout this could work in vats, or small sections of pressurized water, with limited head space.

    I'll tell you what we did in paper mill scrubbers. 
    we charge the plates, to collect the ionizing particles. 
    then when the plates get saturated a property you can monitor capacitance, inductance, resistance.
    then you flip the plate polarity and flush all the debris. 

    principally similar to a laser printer drum.

    real pipping systems have bends, vibration, non laminar flows, and all sorts of things that are going to sap the power out
    that would be my guess, I could be wrong. is the goal to remove existing scale of prevent existing scale?
    removing existing scale could be a real product / tool.

    tech is cool, but water filters are cheap.  

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    0 SensoredHacker0 11 days ago

    would ionizing your water have the same effect without the technological overhead. 
    I've no dbout this could work in vats, or small sections of pressurized water, with limited head space.

    I'll tell you what we did in paper mill scrubbers. 
    we charge the plates, to collect the ionizing particles. 
    then when the plates get saturated a property you can monitor capacitance, inductance, resistance.
    then you flip the plate polarity and flush all the debris. 

    principally similar to a laser printer drum.

    real pipping systems have bends, vibration, non laminar flows, and all sorts of things that are going to sap the power out
    that would be my guess, I could be wrong. is the goal to remove existing scale of prevent existing scale?
    removing existing scale could be a real product / tool.

    tech is cool, but water filters are cheap.  

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    0 Rick1234 11 days ago in reply to SensoredHacker0

    Hi SensoredHack0 !    :  )

    Its to prevent scale build up!

    Targeted to the motel industry, with their trend now to install "Tankless" water heaters, .... scaling within these units is much more critical.

    I designed a TAC media solution, but the media is very expensive ($1K for an 80 room motel) and has flushed every six months and be replaced every three years). 

    This is why I seek a "non-media" ultrasonic solution (it does the same treatment to the water as does the TAC media)

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