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A new online schematic capture, simulation and PCB tool: worth a look?

signality
signality over 11 years ago

Hi,


There are several free EDA tools around and some excellent FOSS tools such as KiCad and gEDA but the reason I thought people might be interested in this one, EasyEDA, is because it has a few twists to it.


i) it's web based so, with nothing except a bit of javascript to install, it can be used by Linux, Mac and Windows users and - if they have a big enough screen - Android and iOS users too;

ii) work can be shared and - with a bit of agreement on who saves what, when via a 3rd party instant messaging service - it supports collaboration;

iii) it has some pretty impressive import and export options such as importing Altium, Eagle and LTspice files and exporting spice netlists and svg, png and pdf files for documentation. It also uses open standard JSON format files internally so it's easy to do some quite whizzy things just using a text editor;

iv) all use of the tool is free even to the point where the user can download PCB Gerbers and send them off to any PCB supplier;

v) it also offers a low cost PCB service: PCBs can be ordered directly from within the tool (this seems to be the way the money is made to keep the whole thing afloat); 

vi) it can even be used without registering with files being saved in an Anonymous mode that works a bit like pastebin where files can be retrieved and shared just by their urls.


There are lots of examples on the site and a useful tutorial.


There are still some rough edges to it but it seems pretty useable, easy to drive and well worth an hour or so's playtime!


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    Former Member over 11 years ago

    Hey Andy,

     

    Thanks for the bringing up this interesting tool, I'm definitely going to play around with it and check out the features later this weekend. Have you seen Upverter? [https://upverter.com/] It has quite a few of the features you mentioned above as well, and could be another great option for free EDA tool users!

     

    Regards,

     

    Austin

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    signality over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi Austin,

     

    I'm glad you're interested in giving EasyEDA a try. It's still in heavy development and there are various features that need knocking into shape but feedback from people trying it out should help focus development effort into areas that users most want.

     

    I haven't tried Upverter but have kept an eye on it's development. It is undoubtedly a more polished tool that EasyEDA but then it has been around a bit longer. As far as I can tell, Upverter only offers 12 months free usage to students and permanent free usage to Open Hardware projects and I'm not clear what, if any limitations in terms of schematic component, node or PCB layer count limits it places on such users. Their non-free "Non-commercial" account implies that those free accounts are only for non-commercial use and are subject to some other limitations. Once you move out of the "Non-commercial", "Student" or "Open Source" offering, the tool starts to cost fairly serious money per month.


    Therein lies the difference with EasyEDA: their monetization plan is very different from most online subscription tools. It is based on delivering a low cost PCB supply service for any projects - commercial or not - developed using their tool. Even so, that does not tie the user into the tool: Gerbers can be produced and downloaded without having to commit to buying them from EasyEDA. In fact users don't even have to be registered to get to that point!


    In their "Letter from the EasyEDA Team" the developers set out a plan of how they intend to develop the tool, which in the future will include a subscription option with only a small fee basically to offset the cost of advertising put into the free accounts in later years and to pay for storage of private projects.


    This approach may make the tool suite more attractive to open hardware developers, hobbyists and students than professional users to whom the costs are less of an issue but in any case it moves the goal posts a bit: anyone can sketch out an idea, draw up a full schematic, simulate it and then design a PCB, with no size limitations, for free and finally a quick prototype PCB can be banged out for next to nothing.


    Something that Upverter offered when first launched, was circuit simulation based on ngspice (the same FOSS simulation package used by EasyEDA) but that seems to have disappeared from their current webpages.


    Cheers,


       Andy

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    signality over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi Austin,

     

    I'm glad you're interested in giving EasyEDA a try. It's still in heavy development and there are various features that need knocking into shape but feedback from people trying it out should help focus development effort into areas that users most want.

     

    I haven't tried Upverter but have kept an eye on it's development. It is undoubtedly a more polished tool that EasyEDA but then it has been around a bit longer. As far as I can tell, Upverter only offers 12 months free usage to students and permanent free usage to Open Hardware projects and I'm not clear what, if any limitations in terms of schematic component, node or PCB layer count limits it places on such users. Their non-free "Non-commercial" account implies that those free accounts are only for non-commercial use and are subject to some other limitations. Once you move out of the "Non-commercial", "Student" or "Open Source" offering, the tool starts to cost fairly serious money per month.


    Therein lies the difference with EasyEDA: their monetization plan is very different from most online subscription tools. It is based on delivering a low cost PCB supply service for any projects - commercial or not - developed using their tool. Even so, that does not tie the user into the tool: Gerbers can be produced and downloaded without having to commit to buying them from EasyEDA. In fact users don't even have to be registered to get to that point!


    In their "Letter from the EasyEDA Team" the developers set out a plan of how they intend to develop the tool, which in the future will include a subscription option with only a small fee basically to offset the cost of advertising put into the free accounts in later years and to pay for storage of private projects.


    This approach may make the tool suite more attractive to open hardware developers, hobbyists and students than professional users to whom the costs are less of an issue but in any case it moves the goal posts a bit: anyone can sketch out an idea, draw up a full schematic, simulate it and then design a PCB, with no size limitations, for free and finally a quick prototype PCB can be banged out for next to nothing.


    Something that Upverter offered when first launched, was circuit simulation based on ngspice (the same FOSS simulation package used by EasyEDA) but that seems to have disappeared from their current webpages.


    Cheers,


       Andy

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    gsgill112 over 11 years ago in reply to signality

    Thanks for Sharing , Will surely give it a try image

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    Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to signality

    I have a student account on Upverter and after having chatted with their live support, it seems like there are no design limitations for the account type. Same thing with the open-source and non-commercial accounts. The only caveat seems to be that you cannot create private projects.

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    signality over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    @Erica,

     

    Thanks for that background information on Upverter.

     

    Two questions though:

     

       i) "The only caveat seems to be that you cannot create private projects." but presumably you can't use the Student account for commercial work?

     

       ii) Does Upverter still provide simulation or have they dropped that?


    EasyEDA provides simulation and for the next year, free commercial use.


    After that their "letter from the EasyEDA team" says they plan to introduce a maximum $7/month subscription for a VIP account with more private projects but even that can be earned through contributing symbols and other stuff.

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