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  • Date Created: 1 Apr 2011 7:25 PM Date Created
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Wind farms, depleting the worlds green energy

Catwell
Catwell
1 Apr 2011
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A Canadian Wind Farm
 
I had asked this questions before, do wind farms effect the global environment? I now have the answer.
 
Alex Kleidon of the Max Planck Institute for Biogeochemisty, Germany, theorizes that the overuse of wind/wave farms would have an impact as great as doubling the atmospheres concentration of CO2.
 
Kleidon states as we seek to replace the 17 Terawatts (TW), of the global 47 TW power consumption, of burning fossil fuels with renewable, we may end up depleting the amount of "Green Energy" the planet has to offer. It is a thermodynamic principal, as our wind farms generate electricity, it saps energy from the global system.
 
Energy from the sun hits the earth's atmosphere, and portions of it cause wind and ocean currents, evaporates water, moving condensation up into the atmosphere before it drops again. And the majority of the rest of the energy comes as heat, most of which is not harnessed. He says using wind/wave farms use a large portion of the sun's energy that reaches the earth.
 
Using models, Kleidon shows that the energy potential of wind power is reduced by a factor of 100 when wind farms are taken into account. He also shows that up to 70 TW of energy could be harvested from wind, but would destroy the natural global processes at the same time.
 
Although wind would not stop, his models have shown wind farms will effect turbulence, precipitation, and the amount of solar energy reaching the earth, over time. As Kleidon says, [as bad as] "doubling atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide."

 
What is a better option? More passive devices. A recent photosynthesis like breakthrough would not rob the world of kinetic energy at all. Plants have been doing it since the beginning.
 
Cabe
 
 
Read Alex Kleidon's abstract here.
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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 14 years ago

    Why don't very tall trees and their considerable amount of surface area (leaves and needles) produce the same "green-energy-sapping" effect?  Wouldn't the "harvesting" of many,many millions of tall first growth trees (deciduous,tropical and fir) free up a great deal of said system-wide energy? The component data for such a  study seem available, as we (mankind) have done a bang-up job eliminating a enormous segment of the vast  forests that covered the Earth before the advent of urbanized human society.  A cynical person might wonder if this study is more a knock on wind-power than an expression of ecological concern. I readily concede that I have done little more than glance at Kleidon's thesis, and that I have been known to be cynical.

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    Former Member over 14 years ago

    interesting...

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  • DAB
    DAB over 14 years ago

    The best truely Green solution I ever read was described by SciFi author Larry Niven for his Fleet of Worlds series.  He postulated that you could use the digested by products of food to generate heat, methane and water.

    It sounds a little crazy, but if you look at what ants and termites do in thier nests, it is very close to what Larry envisioned.  If we just copy thier design, we could go a long way too improving the environment and solving some of our energy problems.  The approach has already been tested for a couple of million years through many planetary ecological cycles.

    I have always believed that the simple solutions are always the best.

    Thanks

    DAB

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