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Don't bother designing green anymore?

Catwell
Catwell over 15 years ago
Beside saving power consumption in a design, does anyone "think green" in their designs whatsoever?

Perhaps I'm in the minority, but usually making a green product comes after I've finished the concept. Then I just crowbar as much "green" in as I can into the system without jeopardizing functionality. Perhaps I should start with the goal of protecting the environment, and build around that idea.
 
Often I am stuck between deadlines and virtues. At one moment, I've been asked to explain why I am off schedule. And another moment I have to sit through a department head lecture about his latest whim to "design green," and explain why I haven't done that either.
 
A new environmental design methodology I can read about anywhere?
 
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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 14 years ago in reply to Former Member +1
    Interesting discussion..... I think that "going green" was a fashion, everyone jumped on the bandwagon and then the world didnt change quite as fast as everyone hoped..... Let's not forget that there is…
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    DAB over 14 years ago in reply to Former Member +1
    I would like to make one simple point about CO2. It is not a pollutant, it is a necessary gas for photosynthesis. All of the concern about man generated CO2 being a problem is pure and total "BS". There…
  • DAB
    DAB over 14 years ago in reply to Former Member +1
    Hi Derek, To answer your first question, I may well be one of a few handful of people on the planet with the depth of experience and intimate knowledge of most of the sciences involved to truley opine…
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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago

    Hello, all.

     

    I realize I am several days behind the main flow of this thread, but I had to pipe up about RoHS compliance. Enrico, you mention that you suppose every industry has gone over to RoHS, but there is one notable exception: aerospace and defense. I work for a defense contractor and we regularly exempt our products from the lead-free requirements of RoHS policies. This is because of the tin whiskers (which cause shorts) and poor shock and vibe performance of lead-free solders.

    In fact, there are several new mil specs (military specifications) that explicitly prohibit tin-only solders or solder finishes. Also, there's the "Airworthiness Advisory AA-05-01, Lead-Free Solder" document (by the US Air Force) that concludes: “Though there are many alternative solder alloys available to replace traditional tin-lead, none of them has passed the reliability testing required of aerospace-quality hardware.”

    So, although the commercial Airbus plane you're riding may be lead-free and green, rest assured that American missles and airforce planes will last longer and have higher reliability. image

    Seriously, though, I fear that the leap to lead-free solder is going to be paid back in catastrophic failures before we learn that a little lead is a small price to pay for critical systems such as transportation, medicine, and others.

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    0 enrico.migchels over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi juleigh,

     

    I was aware of the 'special treatment' for the sectors you describe. Lead-free soldering is also not easy in a development stage. The transition from liquid to solid is too short. It results in bad solderjoints. I still use PbSn, but customers insist than even sample deliveries are lead-free. Sometimes this is checked.

     

    I know about the tin-wiskers. Have you even head about zinc-wiskers? They cause also shorts and are found when cabinets are zinc plated (electro-plating). This is really nasty. The biggest problems occurs in computerrooms where the floors contain zinc plated frames. After opening the floor (for rerouting of cables) the computers are more likely to go defect because of air-born zinc parts sucked in by the blowers. The zinc needled are so small that the air filters can not prevent them from enthering the machine.

     

    Best regards,

     

    Enrico Migchels

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    0 enrico.migchels over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi juleigh,

     

    I was aware of the 'special treatment' for the sectors you describe. Lead-free soldering is also not easy in a development stage. The transition from liquid to solid is too short. It results in bad solderjoints. I still use PbSn, but customers insist than even sample deliveries are lead-free. Sometimes this is checked.

     

    I know about the tin-wiskers. Have you even head about zinc-wiskers? They cause also shorts and are found when cabinets are zinc plated (electro-plating). This is really nasty. The biggest problems occurs in computerrooms where the floors contain zinc plated frames. After opening the floor (for rerouting of cables) the computers are more likely to go defect because of air-born zinc parts sucked in by the blowers. The zinc needled are so small that the air filters can not prevent them from enthering the machine.

     

    Best regards,

     

    Enrico Migchels

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