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I need help designing a 400hz 115vac 3phase power supply -- Help

phoenixcomm
phoenixcomm over 12 years ago

Hi I need to find a way to get 400hz/115vac/3phase cheaply..  Im a digital person...

any thoughts.

The unit could be powered from a 28vdc source but better yet 115ac house hold 15amp circuit

 

 

Cris

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  • artful_bodger
    artful_bodger over 10 years ago +3
    If you are borrowing mil spec gear, they will not want it damaged, so you'll need to read the relevant spec and understand how to contain your supply within the spec. Too many harmonics and you'll most…
  • billabott
    billabott over 12 years ago +1
    Could this be what you had in mind? http://www.newark.com/schneider-electric/atv12h037m3/ac-drive/dp/11R1086
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 12 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm +1
    Hello Cristina, I could give you some assistance but first I would need to know what you want to drive with it and what other constraints you have. This is not a simple project and if you only want one…
  • billabott
    0 billabott over 12 years ago

    Could this be what you had in mind?

    http://www.newark.com/schneider-electric/atv12h037m3/ac-drive/dp/11R1086

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    0 phoenixcomm over 12 years ago in reply to billabott

    bill I have looked at drives before.. yes they are cheaper that the 400hz inverter...

    but I would like to "roll my own".. in the 5 amp output range... with 110 input..

    Cris

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  • billabott
    0 billabott over 12 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    Out of my depth here.  All I can offer you is this ebay auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Phase-UPS-SBS-Drive-Board-Part-950-016-A063-1-Rev-D-/390520840837#vi-content

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    0 michaelkellett over 12 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    Hello Cristina,

     

    I could give you some assistance but first I would need to know what you want to drive with it and what other constraints you have. This is not a simple project and if you only want one then buying a ready made job like Bill suggests would be much cheaper and quicker. But if you need something special it could be quite fun.......

     

    MK

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  • billabott
    0 billabott over 12 years ago

    Unless you are driving a motor, why do you need 400Hz 3phase?  Many control boards simply put the input AC power thru a rectifier/cap/regulator for ripple free DC for the logic circuits.  Once, for a home security system control box which wanted 13.8 volts AC wall wart ($30.00 plus),  I connected a $5 laptop switching power supply that is putting out 2 amps of 15 V dc.  It worked out fine.  I am thinking that your aircraft control module MAY work just fine with judiciously applied DC voltage.   I hope I have made myself understandable here.  If not, maybe MK can expound upon it.

     

    Update: To take my Evil Genius theory to the next step, I will say to just connect 120 Vac 60 Hz on two input legs ONLY and the bridge will rectify it and power the load with no probem.  If you want to play it safe (and you should), get a Variac variable transformer and bring the power up slow from Zero Volts.

     

    Otherwise, let's build a Tesla Museum 3-phase power supply starting with the theory and HW on the lower part of this web page: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_4/chpt_12/6.html

     

     

    http://www.opamp-electronics.com/tutorials/images/semiconductor/03267.png

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  • phoenixcomm
    0 phoenixcomm over 12 years ago in reply to billabott

    its for driving aircraft stuff

    enjoy

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    0 phoenixcomm over 12 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    thank you,.. I would prefer to roll my own I like a challenge... and I am hapless with the analog bits.. I used to mess around with stereo (tubes) in the old days.. I was thinking of using an arduino to generate the 3 phase 400hz signals

    and maybe an amp of some sort...

     

    Cris

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    0 billabott over 12 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    "If you're unable to find a 400 Hz inverter on eBay, you can build one yourself pretty easily with an oscillator circuit (either through a 555 or a logic circuit) and a switching circuit (triac or power transistor) and a big LC filter (if needed).  A transformer is then used to make line voltage AC from battery voltage AC, this can be a pretty standard 110V-12V power supply transformer wired the wrong way round (with the 12V side as input). Also really depends on your power requirements. If you're going to start a jet from it you're gonna need a GPU."    Source  


    Sounds pretty easy except for the 3 phase aspect.  I would use some N-channel JFETs for their high current abilities.  So, is this why 555 timers have such a high voltage range?  hmm. 

     

    MK:  Are we talking 3 PWM signals with 50% duty cycles separated by 120 degrees?  From what I have read of PIC timers and PWM, that sounds doable.  So, how is it done?

     

    Update:  Question 30 over at http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/worksheets/supply3.html  shows how to achieve DC to AC with a center tap transformer.  And there is the business about choosing between the Delta or Wye configurations.

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    0 phoenixcomm over 12 years ago in reply to billabott

    dose not look like a good solution that might work for single phase and only 400hz if you are going to use an audio transformer,,

    I thought about that already but the output might change under load (bad thing)

     

    I am thinking about using an ardunio with 3 pwm outputs to give me the 3phase @ 400 Hz

    but that's a very small output for me..

    no where near 115vac and 5amps image

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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago

            Hi   I   own   3    ready made    3phase 400cycle   115volt   1kw    military   rotary  inverters that run   on   24  28 volt   DC

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