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Can not understand how a power supply is producing almost +/-64V from the 2x 45V output of a transformer

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Former Member over 10 years ago

Hi,

 

I am a recent graduate who has been asked by my employer to reverse engineer a power supply for a linear power operational amplifier.

 

The power supply appears to be very simple, it consists of a fused 230Vac input to the primary side of the transformer, the secondary side is a 45-0-45V output which then feeds into a bridge rectifier followed by a 33K resistor and 2200u cap in parallel which leads to the output terminal.

 

As I have no datasheet or any other kind of information on the power supply I decided to measure the voltage out to see what it was suppling. This is where things started to get confusing.

The output voltage of the power supply measured at +/- 64V (no load) and +/- 61V (measured at input to actual load).

 

Therefore my query is how can a 45-0-45V secondary side output produce a 61-0-61V supply by only using a rectifier, resistor and capacitor?

 

My thoughts so far are:

  1. The transformer has the wrong rating sticker on it. (I will check this when I get a chance by measuring the voltage directly on the transformer)
  2. The transformer has a single 20V output (which as far as I can see has been left unconnected), maybe this has been connected to the 45V winding in some why to produce 61V but based on my current understanding this would not be possible.
  3. There is some wizardry going on with the other components that I am yet to fully understand.

 

Any help would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks,

N0blea

 

Also as an aside; the 2200u capacitors are only rated to 63V. Seems strange to me that if the power supply is intended to produce around 60V, why would you fit a 63V cap instead of a 80V cap, size and cost are not issues.

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  • supper_slash
    0 supper_slash over 10 years ago

    I threw this circuit up on to 2 different circuit simulators i have and the results was the same, around 61.9 volts both times.

    Please point out anything that i have wired up wrong in this circuit.

    If this circuit in my pic is correct, ill try and break it down .

    P.S. i just used 45v AC at 60hz

     

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  • michaelwylie
    0 michaelwylie over 10 years ago

    I wonder what happens if you multiply 45 by the square root of 2? Wow, it's really close to 61 image.

     

    45 Volts RMS produces 63 peak, which when filtered should be close to 63 Volts.

     

    Edit: I couldn't help myself. Don't feel bad about it, it's something that makes sense in school, but you still have to learn it the hard way... I was just having fun image

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  • supper_slash
    0 supper_slash over 10 years ago in reply to michaelwylie

    LOL i was getting to that, i was just making sure i had the math right.

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  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 10 years ago

    *Slaps forehead with hand*


    Dam I can't believe I forgot this fundamental property of alternating current. My mind was running off in the wrong direction.


    Many thanks for you help,


    Aaron

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    0 michaelwylie over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    No problem image

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