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Power Diode derating for DC blocking

robogary
robogary over 1 year ago

---Application description---

The diodes I'm looking at are applied in 400Vdc and 800Vdc PV input to a VFD DC link, to block the VFD DC link from backfeeding the external PV array.

The full load amps are anywhere between 10Adc and 700Adc with a possible overload of 150% for 1 minute. 

PowerModule construction is desired to screw the module directly to a backpanel with convection cooling , avoiding additional heatsinks and diode fans. 

------- rationalizations -----

I've selected 1200V and 1600 V PIV diodes. 

Solar PV panels have a limited short circuit rating as relative to its full load current.The panels I'm using spec the short circuit current is 6% higher than the full load current, so not too worried about the panel diode instantaneous current as they have robust instantaneous current ratings.

------ the question --------

Referencing diode DZ600N as an example. I for sure need to evaluate a family of diode currents. 

The diode spec sheets list "average on state current" at xxx amps at 100C , yyy amps at 75C .

These ratings seem specified in conjunction with a rectifier, where the diode only conducts at most 180 degrees of a cycle. The spec sheet does chart temperature based on the firing angle when used with a SCR, and with 1 ph full wave, and 3 phase full wave bridges.

1) To use a power diode in a DC blocking application where it sees a continuous DC current , does the applied average current minimally need to be 50% of the specified average current (because the amps are with 360 degrees conduction and not 180 degrees conduction )? 

2) The DZ600 also has a chart for overload currents based on a six pulse converter. The Overload on-state current IF(OV) for 1 minute when used at 50% average current looks to be a 1.0 multiplier, i.e. no overload left, so the DC applied diode average current needs to be based on the 150% overload capacity rather than 100% full load average. 

Have I rationalized all the needed derates ?

Are these derates correct for applying a diode to block DC ? 

Would the same diode DC derates be applied if instead of a bridge and capacitive load, a battery bank was used ?  

I'm also assuming if a diode has all these derates, its not likely to need additional cooling, or maybe another 30% derate is needed to keep the temperature down ? 

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago +1
    The DZ600 expects to be mounted on a heatsink because presumably it is cheaper to add a heatsink than a bunch of extra diodes with associated load balancing. The heatsink could be a simple as a metal plate…
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    0 dougw over 1 year ago

    The DZ600 expects to be mounted on a heatsink because presumably it is cheaper to add a heatsink than a bunch of extra diodes with associated load balancing. The heatsink could be a simple as a metal plate, but either way you can calculate the junction temperature based on your current and heatsink size to know the capacity of the system. Even if the heatsink is just the built-in metal plate. There are lots of on-line calculators, most more complex than this one for flat plates:

    https://www.heatsinkcalculator.com/flat-plate-heat-sink-calculator.html

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    0 dougw over 1 year ago

    The DZ600 expects to be mounted on a heatsink because presumably it is cheaper to add a heatsink than a bunch of extra diodes with associated load balancing. The heatsink could be a simple as a metal plate, but either way you can calculate the junction temperature based on your current and heatsink size to know the capacity of the system. Even if the heatsink is just the built-in metal plate. There are lots of on-line calculators, most more complex than this one for flat plates:

    https://www.heatsinkcalculator.com/flat-plate-heat-sink-calculator.html

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    0 robogary over 1 year ago in reply to dougw

    Thats awesome, thanks !  All the PowerModules have to be mounted on something big enough to hold them in place. I never even thought to look for a flat plate heatsink calculator. 

    The folks that live and breathe power bridges get into all the gory details of grease thermal conductivity and uniformity, heatsink size with fans and coolant  to keep device junction temperature as close as 190C as possible to squeeeeeze every mA out of them. The bridges I've dealt with for the last 10-15 years are liquid cooled with experienced MEs doing all the thermodynamic design and simulation.  

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