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Huge consumption of LT1679

femtotech
femtotech over 10 years ago

Hi!

Please take a look at the schematic attached.

It's a typical front-end to convert a bipolar signal (±5 V) to a differential one (about ±2.5 V with a common mode derived from Vref).

The op-amp is powered between -5.5 V (Vee) and +5.5 V (Vcc).

It works well - I mean, the output is as expected. The absolute voltage at each output is between about 0 V and 2.5 V.

 

The problem is a huge current consumption.

From the datasheet the typical supply current for each amplifier is 2.5 mA (4.5 mA in the worst case) which means 10 mA (or 18 mA).

Instead I found it sinks over 41 mA!!!

 

I did the following:

 

- powered the board and measured the whole consumption (ok, it's not so accurate, but it gives a rough idea). 56 mA

- removed R12 and R16 (so the op-amp doesn't feed the ADC): same value

- disconnected the supply pins of the op-amp: 14 mA

 

Feeding the input with a ±5 V signal the current rises up to 62 mA!

To be sure I changed 3 LT1679, but the behavior is always the same so there is something wrong in my circuit, of course!

 

I checked with the oscilloscope and I can't see any oscillations or other bad things. The negative rails is generated by an ADM660 which produces a ripple of about 40 mV.

I'm pretty sure it is the LT1679 which sinks the current because it becomes warm.

 

What could I do in order to investigate further?

Thanks!

 

 

EDIT:

I was wrong! There is large oscillation on sections C and D of over 1 V and at about 1 MHz. Small caps in parallel of R13 and R14 makes the oscillation worse...

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  • michaelkellett
    0 michaelkellett over 10 years ago

    Can you post a picture of your board.

     

    Have you simulated the design in LTSpice ?

     

    Where did you get the phase splitter ADC driver circuit from ?

     

    MK

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  • femtotech
    0 femtotech over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Can you post a picture of your board.

     

    Here it is.

    In the actual prototype I added a 1 uF cap placed very close to the ADM660 power supply pin.

     

    Have you simulated the design in LTSpice ?

     

    Yes, I attach the file.

    I've just run an AC simulation: I got a peak in the phase at 800 kHz (which is exactly the frequency of the oscillation I noticed before). With a phase of 6° and a gain of 3.9 dB. Is it enough to sustain such an oscillation?

     

    Where did you get the phase splitter ADC driver circuit from ?

     

    From CN0048 of Analog Device:

     

    http://www.analog.com/media/en/reference-design-documentation/reference-designs/CN0048.pdf

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    0 michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to femtotech

    I don't much like the ground fill around the amplifier chip because it adds distributed stray capacitance to slightly imperfect ground which is hard to simulate. However sticking small caps to ground in the simulation has little effect so there is no evidence that the ground fill is the problem. I prefer using four layers which doesn't reduce the stray capacity to ground but gives you a much better reference to decouple to.

     

     

    Since you have aboard you can try poking little caps across various places until it works, or try a different op amp. The very low resistor values will not help in terms of power consumption  - it might be worth experimenting with increasing them.

     

    MK

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  • femtotech
    0 femtotech over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    I wasn't able to stop the oscillation placing caps around.

    Changing the op-amp with an MC33174 leads to no more oscillation and the current consumption is about 30 mA (now I agree the values of resistors won't help...)

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    0 femtotech over 10 years ago in reply to femtotech

    The downside is that with MC33174 the circuit doesn't work properly - I mean the output is not correct. One side goes negative and the other change just a little bit around 1 V. I increased the supply voltage to ±6.5 V but changes nothing.

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    0 michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to femtotech

    What Vcc and Vee are you using  - the MC33174 is nothing like rail to rail operating on input or output.

     

    MK

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    0 michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to femtotech

    What Vcc and Vee are you using  - the MC33174 is nothing like rail to rail operating on input or output.

     

    MK

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    0 femtotech over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    I wrote it in the previous post: ±6.5 V. The input is clamped at ±4.7 V. The outputs are expected to be in between 0.6 V and 3.1 V

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    0 michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to femtotech

    So you did !

    (I was looking at the circuit.)

     

    The MC33174 should sort of work (but not very good drift and offset specs.) I'm wondering if there is something wrong with the board - short or missing connection.

     

    It's v tedious to do but I suggest that you set up LTSpice for DC simulation with a 1V DC input and compare voltages on your actual circuit (with 33174s) with the sim.

     

    Perhaps you'll spot something there.

     

    MK

     

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