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Horse power needed to turn a 22" dia X 31" tall cylinder weighing about 250lbs @  500 to 1500 Rpm

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Former Member over 10 years ago

I have a project that I need some help with (outside my area of expertise)

My quandary is how much Horse power is needed to turn a 22" dia X 31' tall cylinder weighing about 250lbs,  500 to 1500 Rpm (variable speed) has roller bearings on bottom, ball on top of shaft.(spins freely)

Seems to be maxing out the capabilities of a 2.5 HP treadmill motor.

Any and all assistance appreciated.

Bob

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    0 michaelkellett over 10 years ago

    1500 RPM is quite fast for something this size - are you sure that it is rated to spin at this speed, including the load of whatever is inside it ?

     

    Having said that - measure the power going into you existing drive system at a range of speeds - the plot input power against speed on a graph and you may well be able to extrapolate the power needed for 1500 RPM.

    (This assumes that you have a variable speed drive and that you can get the thing spinning at all.

     

    What is it, and can we have  a picture ?

     

    MK

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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Due to the fact that our patents are not yet approved I can't give out much more detail than I have already. So at this time pictures are not an option.

    As for it's purpose it is intended to provide all the existing products currently provided by fossil crude, but from a net carbon zero source that is from a virtually inexhaustible supply. Will reduce human caused fertilizers leached into  the environment without any detrimental environmental effects of its own.

    It will allow all nations in temperate to tropical zones  100% energy independence.

    The structure is designed to handle 1500 + RPM, is balanced, We have run it dry up to 1100 RPM but shut down as the motor was getting hotter than expected. (may have been a power supply problem). It will have between 10 & 20 GPM running thru it entering from the center shaft.at the bottom.

    Currently it is belt driven thru a pulley at a ratio of 3.6363.....  to 1

    My resources are nearly exhausted and this is the last hurdle before running full operational test. I just need to be sure it can run continuously with out burning up a motor in front of potential investors.   Any help is appreciated

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    0 jw0752 over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi Robert. The flow rate that you mention is not a lot. I am guessing that you are using a 3600RPM motor and with the pulley ratio mentioned are getting just shy of 1000 RPM on the cylinder. Unless you have engineered a provision it is likely that initial flow fills the cylinder and accelerates to between almost 0 feet per second at the center to about 96 meters per second near the outer shell of the cylinder. Once full of liquid any further liquid would tend to flow fairly undisturbed down the center of the cylinder and out the other end. This may not be your intention. If you had a motor that was working but getting hot then you could try upping the horse power. Make sure the motor has the recommended voltage. All motors that operate under load will get too hot to touch so do not be alarmed at this specifically. If you have a clamp amp meter you can watch the amperage that is being drawn and as long as this stays below motor specifications you will be ok. This is probably all I can say as your inability to be specific leaves me guessing at a lot of things and my answers are therefore at best guesses.

    John

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    0 jw0752 over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi Robert. The flow rate that you mention is not a lot. I am guessing that you are using a 3600RPM motor and with the pulley ratio mentioned are getting just shy of 1000 RPM on the cylinder. Unless you have engineered a provision it is likely that initial flow fills the cylinder and accelerates to between almost 0 feet per second at the center to about 96 meters per second near the outer shell of the cylinder. Once full of liquid any further liquid would tend to flow fairly undisturbed down the center of the cylinder and out the other end. This may not be your intention. If you had a motor that was working but getting hot then you could try upping the horse power. Make sure the motor has the recommended voltage. All motors that operate under load will get too hot to touch so do not be alarmed at this specifically. If you have a clamp amp meter you can watch the amperage that is being drawn and as long as this stays below motor specifications you will be ok. This is probably all I can say as your inability to be specific leaves me guessing at a lot of things and my answers are therefore at best guesses.

    John

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