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Sensor passive detection

WarrenW
WarrenW over 15 years ago

We have a need to limit travel on a rope being retrieved onto a drum through a pulley. We need to mount a passive non powered sensor or tag of some type onto the rope and be able to detect it within a range of 1 mtr.

We have enquired about RFID but these are typically a computer controlled solution, all we want is a "yes the tag is in range" signal to a PLC to stop the motor on the winch.

 

Any ideas are welcomed.

 

Cheers

 

Warren

06 3564912 (New Zealand)

warren@bandm.co.nz

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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago

    What environment is the rope used in?

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    0 WarrenW over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    It is a rider retrieval system on a giant bridge swing. The rider is attached to the main swing rope, so no problems there, the retrieval rope is the one that brings them back up to the platform. Depending upon load (test 40Kg or up to 180Kg with 2 riders attached) the rope comes back at different angles in relation to the crane boom.

     

    This is the problem, we want to detect the end of rope about 2 meters before it hits the crane boom and prevent any further retrieval of the rope.

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    0 Thomas over 15 years ago in reply to WarrenW

    Hi Warren,

    Firstly, Cabe has a solution of using an Optical encoder attached to a pinch-roller through which the wire rope passes at the winch-end.

    Much better, attach a 6 inch diameter ball to the steel wire rope (with the wire rope passing through the ball) beyond the pulley but 2 metres before the hook. A well positioned laser sensor at the tip of the boom will detect precisely the ball as it nears the pulley.

    Hope this meets your safety requirements.

    Thomas

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    0 WarrenW over 15 years ago in reply to Thomas
    That could work IF the rope was being bought back in a constant position. Alas this is not the case. Thanks for the suggestion
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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to WarrenW

    Thanks for your clarification. Seem like tere are some excellent ideas already put forth.

     

    Considering that people are being carried, a redundant failsafe system would probably be best.

     

    Perhaps primary would be a mechanical switch, activated by a fixed magnet or "stopper" on the rope itself. The stopper could pass through an eyelet assembly that not only gently guides the rope to the pulley, but guides the stopper onto the switch.

     

    The RFID system could be a backup, but depending on where you are using it, interference and intermodulation (stray signals) could possible start or stop early.

     

    Anxious to hear how the project turns out!

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    0 WarrenW over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi Dave,

    The main wiegt of the people riding is actually held by the swing rope. I have attached an image of the boom and ropes to give you some idea. It is great to have someone to bounce ideas off, thanks all for the input.

    The rope position on the horizontal roller at the end of the boom can wander a bit too!

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    0 WarrenW over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi Dave,

    The main wiegt of the people riding is actually held by the swing rope. I have attached an image of the boom and ropes to give you some idea. It is great to have someone to bounce ideas off, thanks all for the input.

    The rope position on the horizontal roller at the end of the boom can wander a bit too!

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