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RE: Seeking Feedback on New Scoring System for Experimenting Challenges

rscasny
rscasny over 2 years ago

Note: this discussion covers only the Experimenting Design Challenge Competitions

Greetings to All,

I would like to introduce a blog scoring system in addition to the judges I use to determine the top prize winners of the experimenting with components challenges (e.g, capacitors, inductors, vibration sensors, etc.).

I would like to get feedback on this proposal by members of element14.

Before I detail the change, let me explain why I am suggesting it? There are a couple of reasons:

  • Transparency: The blog will be scored on a weekly basis and the score posted in a table similar to what I used in another one of my programs. Here is an example of the table I had used in that program. Click here to see.
  • Strategy: With participants seeing the point totals of all participants, they can plan a strategy for achieving a point total to win.
  • Ensuring Participation Throughout the Program Period: Sometimes participants post their blogs at the end of the 8 to 10 week period, not giving me the opportunity to promote the blogs through the program period. In addition, giving participants a reason to post supporting blogs throughout the active period allows them to pick up points along the way.
  • Making Judging More Convenient: Our judges will receive the final summary blog to judge, which I think will make it easier for them to manage. Since the final summary blog can earn the most points, the judges' decision will have the most weight in the final selections.

What is the Judging/Scoring System In Place Now?

There is a two-blog minimum required to successfully finish the competition. There is no scoring system in place now. Currently, at the conclusion of the competition (usually 8 to 10 weeks), I forward all the blogs of each participant to the judges. The judges rank the blogs and select the winners of the top prizes. At the end of the judging, I notify the winners and write a winner's announcement.

What is the Judging/Scoring System That I Would Like to Introduce?

There will be no blog minimum, but each participant needs to blog to accrue points to win the top prizes. There will be three scoring types, as follows:

  • Introductory Blog: participant describes in detail what he/she plans on doing. Worth up to 75 points.
  • Final Summary Report Blog: participant describes in details what he/she did and proposed in the introductory blog. What experiments were conducted. What results were obtained? What were the takeaways, that is, what was learned. Worth up to 200 points.
  • Intermediary Supporting Blogs: these are blogs that support their experimenting program but are not the Introductory or Final Summary Blogs. Each weekly blog is worth up to 10 points.

The overall point totals will be posted on the table on a weekly basis.

The typical program timeline will be:

  • The up-to-75-point Introductory blog: Needs to be posted in Week 1 and Week 2
  • The up-to-10-point Intermediary Supporting Blogs: Need to be posted each week in Weeks 3 through 9.
  • The up-to-200-point Final Summary Blog: Needs to be posted in week 10.

Element14 will assign points for the Introductory and Supporting Blogs.

The judges will assign points for the Final Summary blog.

The members with the most points at the end of the program period will win.

What do you think?

Randall
--element14 Team; Experimenting Challenge Program Manager

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  • rscasny
    rscasny over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps +3
    2 and 0 for the finisher prize and counting!
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago +2
    Nice! Everybody likes tables of info, so this seems neat (if it's not too much overhead). The intro blog looks like it will benefit everyone; it is a great way for contestants to quickly pick up points…
  • dougw
    dougw over 2 years ago +2
    It looks workable, but requires more administrative overhead. I like the idea that intermediate blogs count and I can see how they help keep the site content fresh. I gather you would like to see more…
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  • misaz
    misaz over 2 years ago

    The new scoring system sounds good. I have several minor notes:

    • Blogs count minimum you need at least for finisher prizes. You can express it using score but I think it will still define minimum requirement on blog count. I recommend do not removing minimum of two blog posts. If you remove this limit, then you can face situation that someone post the only one (summary) blog in last week. In extreme case he/she can win with 200 points, but I think in this case single blog entry was not very useful contribution to the competition.
    • Score must distinguish contestants. I recommend defining rule that in every category two contestants never receive exactly the same number of points. For example look 7 Ways to Leave Your Spartan-6: Contestant Standings. Look at First Project column. All has 0 points (did not complete project) or 50 points (completed project). If you take two projects from this table which received 50 points, then it means that both projects/blogs are totally equal in quality but in reality this is never true. There is always difference (at least very small difference) and scoring system should highlight it. You can for example give one project 45 and second project 44 points. Both contestant get very similar points for very similar quality of projects/blog but there is an order. The contestant with one point less can look at it and decide that he will post one additional intermediary blog for beating the originally slightly better contestant. Idea of this paragraph is that every time there must be the order. Giving all contestant 75 points for introductory blog does not make sense because all (except contestant who post nothing) will get them and there is no need to make any complex strategy in this case.
    • Mentioned system rate blogs and project quality but do not count other contestant activities. Very frequently happen that someone ask on forum, someone answer question and help the other contestant to continue its journey or something like it. I think this should be graded and this kind of cooperation should be awarded by points, I think.
    • In addition to previous point: forum activity should count. Both question and answers should count. In 7 ways to leave spartan there were category for this but in promoted system it is not. Contestant sometimes get into troubles and asking on forum is very effective way because at the same time there is another 9 contestant who have exactly the same hardware in the hands and together, they can resolve even very complicated issues.
    • Carefully take in account amount of work needed to do on element14 side every week. We frequently see delays in selecting challengers, waiting for judges selection, postponing shipping dates and so on. I recommend changing “score updated on weekly basis” to “score updated every second week” and also remember to dedicate time slot every second Friday (or other day) in your calendar. If you will not have time for evaluating blogs every week, than space for complex strategies on contestant side decreases significantly. For allowing making strategies evaluation timing should be strictly followed.
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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to misaz

    Interesting points. For what it's worth, I think the "forum activity should count. Both question and answers should count." would be hard to deal with, because then judges need to go through all the comments as well as the blog content. Also, it could be open to abuse, by people just replying many times with not as much help as required (e.g. mundane comments instead of well thought out responses). i think the onus on getting answers to challenge issues should be on the contestants, they are best placed to do it, and if they cannot find the answer on the forum then they can ask a question anwhere, e.g. on their blog, on someone elses blog or other sites. Collecting up questions and answers in discussions seems (to me) difficult (unless I've misunderstood it). If people are not responding to questions asked of them, then it becomes clear they are not a team player, and you wouldn't get much of an answer from them even if there were (say) 10 points for a response.

    Regarding ranking, sometimes content is just as good, so it would be nice if there was still a way to recognize that sometimes people do equally well in different ways. But I can see it would make it hard for contestants during the contest, who might prefer ranking (unless they are going to come second or third when their content may be equally as good! :) 

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to misaz

    Interesting points. For what it's worth, I think the "forum activity should count. Both question and answers should count." would be hard to deal with, because then judges need to go through all the comments as well as the blog content. Also, it could be open to abuse, by people just replying many times with not as much help as required (e.g. mundane comments instead of well thought out responses). i think the onus on getting answers to challenge issues should be on the contestants, they are best placed to do it, and if they cannot find the answer on the forum then they can ask a question anwhere, e.g. on their blog, on someone elses blog or other sites. Collecting up questions and answers in discussions seems (to me) difficult (unless I've misunderstood it). If people are not responding to questions asked of them, then it becomes clear they are not a team player, and you wouldn't get much of an answer from them even if there were (say) 10 points for a response.

    Regarding ranking, sometimes content is just as good, so it would be nice if there was still a way to recognize that sometimes people do equally well in different ways. But I can see it would make it hard for contestants during the contest, who might prefer ranking (unless they are going to come second or third when their content may be equally as good! :) 

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  • misaz
    misaz over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I did not take abuses in account. Of course if some start flooding too much questions, then he/she will receive 0 or very few points for it. Similarly you can abuse intermediary blogs. Some can split his text in a ways one blog -> one paragraf and then he will easily have tons of intermediate blogs but I gues it will not receive lot of points for it. Even worse, you can post 50 blogs of lorem ipsum with idea that 50 blogs can bring you up to 500 points! In this cases the magic words "up to" should apply and zero points still satisfy rule up to 10 points.

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  • rscasny
    rscasny over 2 years ago in reply to misaz

    This needs clarification. Let's say for example Week 3 starts on Jan 22 and Week 4 starts on Jan 29th and week 5 starts on Feb 5th. In other words, three weeks. Each week you will get awarded a maximum of ten points for supporting blogs. Hence, for 3 weeks, that's 30 points. If people understand that, they are not going to write 50 blogs nor expect 500 points. Thus, I need to work on clarifying these instructions. 

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to rscasny

    I'd suggest that the participants work and posts should weight an order of magnitude higher than the downstream forum activity. To keep the contests focusing on engineering versus popularity.

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  • cstanton
    cstanton over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    " I think the "forum activity should count. Both question and answers should count." would be hard to deal with, because then judges need to go through all the comments as well as the blog content."

    As we tend to do Design Challenges / these competitions in a consolidated group - then the leaderboards which keep track of participation points can be a good steer for these.

    We should also be able to award say, a gamification achievement badge for those who have their questions marked as a suggested/verified answer in a certain group.

    So ultimately we could automate some amount of this that does checks and results in an achievement as a signifier of accomplishing requirements in a given group.

    Then it's down to peer review and a reduction of administrative overhead.

    I've worked on some aspect(s) of this already, it'd simply need picking up/awareness by the rest of the team...

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