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  • Author Author: KalebTheMaker
  • Date Created: 18 Feb 2023 8:59 PM Date Created
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Project - Water Tank Monitoring System

KalebTheMaker
KalebTheMaker
18 Feb 2023

Hi all,

On Bonesnapper Ridge, I have a fairly large system for storing water and I would like to monitor the entire system. This topic started to take off on another thread, so I thought I would make a new post to keep it all in one place and give a little more background.

Wells

There are multiple wells on the property, but I am focused on three of them. These are "horizontal wells" or tapped springs. They are drilled horizontally into the side of the hill and are gravity fed to a set of tanks at the bottom of the property. These wells flow 24/7 365 days a year. The wells flow into the tanks, and then there are overflow pipes that overflow into a culvert. As I said, 24/7. Maybe I could install very small turbines on these to generate a little bit of power?

Tanks

There are two main tank sites on the property. There are three ~2500 gallon tanks at the well site which is at the lower elevation of the property. There are three more ~2500 gallon tanks at the highest elevation of the property. There is also one 2500 gallon tank right in between these two sets of tanks in the middle of the elevation. The bottom tanks are plumbed all the way up to the top tanks and flows through that middle tank. Note: The lower tanks are 100% full until I pump, then it takes about 8 hours to fill up what I pumped out.

Pumping

To get water from the lower tanks to the upper tanks that feed the house/shop, currently, I have to drive down to the lower tanks and fire up a gas-powered honda water pump (currently broken... yay another project!). On a full tank of gas, this can pump something like 1800 gallons. So I would have to pump several tanks of gas worth to fill up the upper tanks. I have to open and close a few valves manually in this process.

Water Usage

I am surprised at how little water I have been using. I don't have laundry up here yet, so that will add a bit, but as of now, it's quite low. Last time I pumped I marked it on the upper tank before I pumped, and then I marked it off after the pump. That's where I came up with the approximate 1800 gallons on a tank of gas. It has been a few months since I have pumped water, and there is still plenty in the upper tanks.

Sensor Data & System Design

My goal at the end of a few projects is to have sensors in each of the tanks ( seven tanks ) and report that back to MQTT or an InfluxDB database here at the house. Build a solar or hydro-powered pumping system at the bottom tanks, so that when the top tanks get below a certain threshold, the pump will automatically turn on and pump water until a threshold is met. 

What data do I need out of the tank sensors?

The nerd in me wants it down to the gallon. But that's going to be more difficult to achieve, and in the system design, I don't really need that. I can probably get away with down to the 100 or 1000 gallon. The resolution will determine how often I pump, and the design of the pump system will also be a factor in how often I can pump. for example, if the pump and battery can pump 100 gallons on a full charge, then I have to know how long it takes to gain a full charge on the battery using either solar or hydro. Then I can set my thresholds in the system for how often to pump. I'll probably end up looking at the state of charge of the pump batteries and determining if it can pump as well.

Maybe for now, I will have to settle for somewhere in the middle and have a minimum resolution of 500 gallons. If it's lower than that great, if it's higher? Well, I will just have to deal with it. 

The order of execution

I want to get the sensors built first, and then the rest of the monitoring system and the pumping system will come at a later date. I would like to get all of it done this summer, but there is a LOT to do here and it's not critical. But the senors are critical to my data-hungry brain, and sore legs from hiking up the hill to check water levels. 

I would love to hear your feedback on this! Some of this topic has been discussed on the thread below, so please check that out. 

/challenges-projects/element14-presents/b/off-grid-makershop/posts/off-grid-maker-shop-general-update

I will add some pictures first thing tomorrow to this post. I'm in a rush to get out of this house this morning. 

Well and Tank Pictures:

Upper Tanks

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Lower Tanks  

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Primary Well

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Secondary Well

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Tertiary Well

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The second and third wells are tied together, they do not have as much output as the primary well. 

Elevation Data

Site Elevation (m) Elevation (ft) Barometric Pressure (mb)
House 672.7 2207 1019
Upper Tanks 698 2290 1016
Middle Tank 646.8 2122 1022
Primary Solar Site 628.5 2062 1024
Lower Tanks 622.7 2043 1026
Primary Well 620.6 2055 1025
Secondary Well 00 626.4 2066 1024
Secondary Well 01 630.6 2069 (eyeballed) 1024

NOTE: Updated for the third time. 

For this data I took my Garmin 64s out with barometric pressure turned on. When I got the area the elevation would fluctuate wildly starting low, then gradually going up until it stabilized. This took about three minutes. I waited at each site for appx three minutes until it stabilized. I recorded the barometric pressure for Dave. 

However, The difference between the "Primary Solar Site" and "Lower Tanks" being ~6' does not seem right. The road from the solar site to the wells and tanks goes downhill for quite a ways, then up just a little. There is no line of sight, and I could be deceived, but I really do not think so.  "Lower Tanks" to "Primary Well" seems off as well, data shows ~12', but I think it's more like 5-8'. 

Thanks!

-Kaleb

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 3 years ago

    Looking at the water tank photos, don't you have issues with some of those water pipes freezing in winter time ?

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    beacon_dave over 3 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    You could also fit this at the top of an external level indicator pipe. Just make it 105"  long so that its minimum operating range starts at the top of the tank 10" below.

    Not sure if you will get a cleaner signal from a smaller diameter pipe than from bouncing around in a wider near empty tank. 

    You could double this up with some capacitive rings for error checking.

    Perhaps try a number of different methods on the one experimental tank and see what works best before doing the others.

    If you want to try Lidar then you could drop a ball into the tube for the light to bounce off of. (Perhaps even a retroreflective disc.)

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    beacon_dave over 3 years ago in reply to KalebTheMaker

    A low cost option might to be to attach a vertical 95" length of plumbing pipe to the outlet using a Tee coupling to use as a water level observation tube and then space some jubilee hose clips up the length of it. These become capacitive sensor rings which can be used to detect the water level as it moves up and down the tube mirroring the level in the tank. 25 clips would give you around 100gallon increments but you could space them to give more resolution at top and bottom and less in the centre depending on your needs,

    If the pipe is transparent, then it would give you a visible indication as well but sunlight will encourage algae to grow. A simple 2-digit 7-seg readout might be suitable for a local readout display. 

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 3 years ago

    Possible ultrasonic option

    https://wiki.dfrobot.com/Weather-proof_Ultrasonic_Sensor_SKU___SEN0207

    Operating Range: 21cm ~ 6m
    Resolution: 3mm

    Minimum range is not ideal but you might be able to fit it into a short length of plastic pipe that sticks up from the top of the tank to reduce it.

    You could also have a backup float switch at the top that gives a 'full to the brim' signal for filling / fail safe purposes.

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    beacon_dave over 3 years ago in reply to KalebTheMaker

    Andreas Spiess did a video on various water level sensing methods

    'Ten Fluid Level (Water Level) Sensors and how to use them (Arduino, ESP32, ESP8266)'
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KawRd5evHyY

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