element14 Community
element14 Community
    Register Log In
  • Site
  • Search
  • Log In Register
  • Community Hub
    Community Hub
    • What's New on element14
    • Feedback and Support
    • Benefits of Membership
    • Personal Blogs
    • Members Area
    • Achievement Levels
  • Learn
    Learn
    • Ask an Expert
    • eBooks
    • element14 presents
    • Learning Center
    • Tech Spotlight
    • STEM Academy
    • Webinars, Training and Events
    • Learning Groups
  • Technologies
    Technologies
    • 3D Printing
    • FPGA
    • Industrial Automation
    • Internet of Things
    • Power & Energy
    • Sensors
    • Technology Groups
  • Challenges & Projects
    Challenges & Projects
    • Design Challenges
    • element14 presents Projects
    • Project14
    • Arduino Projects
    • Raspberry Pi Projects
    • Project Groups
  • Products
    Products
    • Arduino
    • Avnet & Tria Boards Community
    • Dev Tools
    • Manufacturers
    • Multicomp Pro
    • Product Groups
    • Raspberry Pi
    • RoadTests & Reviews
  • About Us
  • Store
    Store
    • Visit Your Store
    • Choose another store...
      • Europe
      •  Austria (German)
      •  Belgium (Dutch, French)
      •  Bulgaria (Bulgarian)
      •  Czech Republic (Czech)
      •  Denmark (Danish)
      •  Estonia (Estonian)
      •  Finland (Finnish)
      •  France (French)
      •  Germany (German)
      •  Hungary (Hungarian)
      •  Ireland
      •  Israel
      •  Italy (Italian)
      •  Latvia (Latvian)
      •  
      •  Lithuania (Lithuanian)
      •  Netherlands (Dutch)
      •  Norway (Norwegian)
      •  Poland (Polish)
      •  Portugal (Portuguese)
      •  Romania (Romanian)
      •  Russia (Russian)
      •  Slovakia (Slovak)
      •  Slovenia (Slovenian)
      •  Spain (Spanish)
      •  Sweden (Swedish)
      •  Switzerland(German, French)
      •  Turkey (Turkish)
      •  United Kingdom
      • Asia Pacific
      •  Australia
      •  China
      •  Hong Kong
      •  India
      •  Korea (Korean)
      •  Malaysia
      •  New Zealand
      •  Philippines
      •  Singapore
      •  Taiwan
      •  Thailand (Thai)
      • Americas
      •  Brazil (Portuguese)
      •  Canada
      •  Mexico (Spanish)
      •  United States
      Can't find the country/region you're looking for? Visit our export site or find a local distributor.
  • Translate
  • Profile
  • Settings
The Electronics Inside
  • Challenges & Projects
  • element14 presents
  • The Electronics Inside
  • More
  • Cancel
The Electronics Inside
Documents Vintage Adding Machine -- The Electronics Inside 49
  • Blog
  • Forum
  • Documents
  • Polls
  • Files
  • Members
  • Mentions
  • Sub-Groups
  • Tags
  • More
  • Cancel
  • New
Join The Electronics Inside to participate - click to join for free!
Actions
  • Share
  • More
  • Cancel
Engagement
  • Author Author: tariq.ahmad
  • Date Created: 19 Dec 2021 9:26 PM Date Created
  • Last Updated Last Updated: 5 Jan 2022 8:24 AM
  • Views 456403 views
  • Likes 4 likes
  • Comments 7 comments
Related
Recommended

Vintage Adding Machine -- The Electronics Inside 49

You don't have permission to edit metadata of this video.
Edit media
x
image
Upload Preview
image

Clem has sent me an accounting machine from 1937 - It has a plug, it has a motor, let's tear it down and see just how advanced the electronics were nearly 90 years ago.

 

element14 presents

element14 Presents  |  About David|  Project Videos  |  The Electronics Inside

 

  • capacitor
  • calculators
  • Accounting Machine
  • Universal Motor
  • 90 years
  • Share
  • History
  • More
  • Cancel
  • Sign in to reply
  • a531016
    a531016 over 3 years ago in reply to oldcalculatormuseum

    Thank you Rick for this brilliant insight! You have filled in a lot of the gaps that I struggled to research.

    I did recently watch some old US Navy videos on fire control computers, explaining how cams, differentials and racks were used to provide the equivilant of operators and functions. It was genuinly fascinating!

    I hope you enjoyed the tear down, and if you did, please keep an open eye and ear for a future video (no spolers, however I think you'll like it)!

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
  • oldcalculatormuseum
    oldcalculatormuseum over 3 years ago

    The [#] key on most all adding machines and accounting machines is typically used as a "Comment".   It allows a number to be entered, then the [#] key pressed, and the number is printed with an octothorpe after it to indicate that the number is some kind of comment, perhaps a draft number or some other number for reference that is not included in any calculation.  In some later adding machines, the [#] key was replaced by a key that read [NON ADD], to indicate that the number was not added to the accumulator and just printed for reference purposes.    Some printing electronic calculators retain this function even today - mostly business-type printing electronic calculators.

    In 1937 when the exhibited accounting machine was apparently made, there wasn't much in the way of any kind of digital electronics in existence that would be a part of a device like this.  Sophisticated analog electronics in the form of integrators, amplifiers, summers, servos and dividers were used in the extremely complex action of aiming a big gun on a warship at sea.  These very sophisticated analog computers had to take into account the roll, yaw, and pitch of the ship as the waves jostled it about, as well as information about the target, things like barometric pressure and humidity, the type of round used in the gun, and countless other factors in real-time in order to insure that the round would come as close to the target as possible.   At that time there was no digital computing device of any type that could fit onboard a ship at sea.   

    The capacitor you found is a motor start capacitor.  It dumps a charge into the motor when the motor receives power to overcome the static load of the rotor to get it going, and then normal currents can flow through the windings to keep it spinning.   The capacitor should definitely be replaced if there is any attempt to power up the motor.  I figure you know that the brushes will likely have to be replaced, and the coils should be ohmed out to make sure that no shorts have developed.

    The rubber or leather coupling between the motor and the rest of the mechanism is there for two purposes.  One is as you mentioned, to absorb some of the torque pulse that occurs when the motor starts.  The other function it provides is a degree of vibration isolation of the operating mechanism from the invariable vibration created by the motor.  No motor is perfectly balanced, and the slight imbalances in the motor creates vibrations which can cause undue wear on the mechanisms that it is driving.   The isolator helps damp out the vibrations of the motor.

    Wanderer Werke never made any truly electronic calculators of their own.  The company was purchased by Labor Für Impuslestechnik (now known as Nixdorf) in 1968.   Prior to Nixdorf purchasing the business machine division of Wanderer Werke, Nixdorf (I'll use this name because it's a lot easier to type) did all of the electronic design and prototyping of the electronic calculators that were marketed under the Wanderer Werke brand.  I believe that Nixdorf also manufactured the electronic calculators, and Wanderer Werke simply marketed, sold, and perhaps serviced them.     

    All of the mathematical machines that Wanderer Werke built since its founding in 1869 (manufacturing motorcycles initially) were mechanical or electromechanical.  Electromechanical refers to a mechanical mechanism that is driven by an electric motor.   The only "electronic" components involved were generally capacitors, for sure the motor start capacitor, and sometimes capacitors that were put across switch contacts to reduce arcing from damaging the contact material.   All of the calculating in these machines was done by the mechanical gizmos, driven at first by hand with a hand crank, and later with the electric motor to relieve the user's right arm from the burden of pulling on the crank to power the machine's operations.

    The machine you uncovered is considered an accounting machine, but it seems very rudimentary.   The carriage is designed to take in forms that were pre-printed (like ledger forms), and perform basic math (addition and subtraction only) and print the results where the operator (through the use of a [TAB] like key positioned the carriage.  Looking at the mechanism, although i will state here that I am no expert on these old mechanical machines, it appears to be a basic adding machine, with an accumulator that can be added to or subtracted from, with results printed by the printer.    Later(1950's)  there were vastly more sophisticated electromechanical accounting machines that could actually keep totals in mechanical memory registers, and perform full bookkeeping operations through various means such a plugboard with wire jumpers that "programmed" the operation of the machine, or some that used a table with pegs inserted in various holes to program the machine.  These were still mechanical devices, though, with no electronics save capacitors and switches.

    Check out this video of a 1958-vintage Ascota 170 Accounting Machine.  It is the most advanced all-mechanical accounting machine ever developed.  After this, digital electronics began to infiltrate the scene, making these mazes of gears, levers, cams, shafts, and countless other magical mechanism quickly a thing of the past.     In this video, it is asked to perform an operation that is something that accounting machines aren't really made to do, but the fact that this machine can do it is a very fitting example of just how advanced this motor-driven mechanical marvel is:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sUsiYnHwqI

    Rick Bensene, The Old Calculator Museum

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
  • oldcalculatormuseum
    oldcalculatormuseum over 3 years ago

    The "#"character, referred to as the Hashtag symbol, or the "pound sign", or sometimes "number sign" is actually called an octothorpe:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/octothorpe

    Rick Bensene, The Old Calculator Museum, http://oldcalculatormuseum.com, Beavercreek, Oregon   USA

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
  • a531016
    a531016 over 3 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    It is essentially a single character contraction of the French "et". Some typefaces still show it as Et...

    Amperand - Et

    image

    I always like to learn (mostly useless) facts and things!

    Thanks for the recommendation, I'll give it a try.

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 3 years ago in reply to a531016

    The origin I am familiar with is the children reciting their alphabet, where they would say ".. x, y, z, and per se and".

    ( If you are interested in the etymology of words then perhaps check out the weekly 'Something Rhymes with Purple' podcast hosted by renowned lexicographer Susie Dent along with Gyles Brandreth.
    https://feeds.megaphone.fm/somethingrhymeswithpurple )

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
  • a531016
    a531016 over 3 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Well - I (clearly) never knew that! Thank you for clarifying!

    Although, just to set myself up for another correction, do you know the origins of the ampersand (&)? This one blew me away when I found out!

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 3 years ago

    a531016 - regarding your 'pound sign' explanation...

    The use of the # symbol as shorthand for 'pound' would appear to predate ASCII. There are various mentions in printed books from the early 1900's where it suggests its use before a number is to be treated as a 'number sign' and after a number as a 'pound sign' e.g.

    screenshot from Google Books
    (from Google Books
    https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=oCsOAQAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22number+or+pound+sign%22 )

    The etymology would appear to trace it all the way back to 'libra pondo', the Latin for 'pound weight'. One theory is that later stylization of the the abbreviation for 'lb' went to the symbol '℔' and then on to the symbol '#'.

    I've noticed that on some typewriters from the late 1800's it is depicted more with the two horizontal bars sloping backwards, e.g. Remington:

    # key shown in manual

    https://iiif.lib.harvard.edu/manifests/view/drs:2574435$52i

    and Blickensderfer:
    # key on keyboard
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Blickensderfer_No._5_Portable_Typewriter%2C_1889%2C_made_by_Blickensdorf_Manufacturing_Company_-_Museum_of_Science_and_Industry_%28Chicago%29_-_DSC06623.JPG

    so two different brands using the same distinct styling.

    This styling is perhaps similar as to how Isaac Newton scribed it in his writings.
    Libra pondo symbol as scribed by Isaac Newton

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Libra_pondo_abbreviation_newton.jpg

    What would be interesting is what the function is of the # key as used on the accounting machine here. It looks like it is an important key, although on later machines it appears to have been moved to a smaller less used button key.

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
element14 Community

element14 is the first online community specifically for engineers. Connect with your peers and get expert answers to your questions.

  • Members
  • Learn
  • Technologies
  • Challenges & Projects
  • Products
  • Store
  • About Us
  • Feedback & Support
  • FAQs
  • Terms of Use
  • Privacy Policy
  • Legal and Copyright Notices
  • Sitemap
  • Cookies

An Avnet Company © 2025 Premier Farnell Limited. All Rights Reserved.

Premier Farnell Ltd, registered in England and Wales (no 00876412), registered office: Farnell House, Forge Lane, Leeds LS12 2NE.

ICP 备案号 10220084.

Follow element14

  • X
  • Facebook
  • linkedin
  • YouTube