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  • Date Created: 26 Feb 2022 5:46 PM Date Created
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ralphjy
ralphjy
26 Feb 2022

Great to see a Project14 focused on Op Amps: Op-Amp-a-Palooza.

I don't have time to do a clever and innovative project, but looking forward to see what other members come up with.

It got me to thinking about when I first started out using IC Op Amps back in the early 1970s.  First started using the uncompensated 709s and 308s and then quickly moved to the compensated 741s (1MHz was sufficient for most of what I was doing and these were inherently stable, although the early ones from TI were prone to latch-up).

I have a collection of vintage parts (709, 741, 747, 558).  I was surprised that I did not have some 308s - probably stashed somewhere else.  Back in those days the parts were sometimes hard to get at a reasonable price, so I resorted to buying unmarked and sometimes untested parts and testing them myself.  I would use a Sharpie or scribe to mark the parts after I tested them.

Here's a picture of some of my collection:

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A range of vendors and styles.  Early parts were packaged in metal TO cans or ceramic DIPs (probably still are for military use) and later in plastic packages for cost and ease of manufacturing.  The parts here are from Fairchild, TI, Raytheon, Signetics, and National.  The earliest date stamps are 6916 for a National LM709 and 7016 for a TI SN72741.  The unmarked parts pre-date those.

Those were the wild west days - I remember that we would use Motorola MECL digital ICs and would bias the power supply so we could use them as linear small signal differential amplifiers - the precursor to using these op amps.

If I find some time, I'd like to try some of these out again...  

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 3 years ago in reply to jc2048

    I was going to try measuring the open-loop gain but that turns out to be quite difficult.

    I'm reading up on how to do this properly.

    Omicron: Operational Amplifier - Open Loop Gain Measurement
    Analog Devices: Simple Op Amp Measurements
    Venable Instruments: Measuring the Open Loop Gain of an Operational Amplifier

    The last one has the simplest requirements on lab instruments: (symmetric) supply, generator and a 2 channel scope.

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    jc2048 over 4 years ago in reply to jc2048

    I've finally gotten around to trying the four that I had. They all work fine. The offset voltages at the input measure +281uV, +28uV, -80uV, and -776uV, so two of them are particularly good (the datasheet gives 2mV typ and 7.5mV max). I was going to try measuring the open-loop gain but that turns out to be quite difficult.

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    ralphjy over 4 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    That's a good idea, but I'm afraid that the parts and design notes did not survive.  I think I left them at the university lab where I was working.  I also left behind some of the early Signetics integrated phase locks and circuits that were being used in some of our projects.  All long gone at this point.  I wish I could remember which specific part we had used to get the differential inputs.  I think I still have my old Motorola data books somewhere in storage.  Back in the good old days when the data books all had transistor level schematics (when there weren't that many transistors in the IC Smile).

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    javagoza over 4 years ago

    Good collection.

    I still have the some amps I bought when I was a teenager.

    This LM741 from an FM transmitter

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    This TDA2002 from an FM receiver

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    Jan Cumps over 4 years ago

    we would use Motorola MECL digital ICs and would bias the power supply so we could use them as linear small signal differential amplifiers 

    That would make a great Project14 entry

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