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Have you ever made a 9V battery topper circuit?

scottiebabe
scottiebabe over 2 years ago

I never have!

I wanted to measure the optical flicker of some new decorative lights that are advertised as being "constant lit".

Naturally, I thought I would just use a reverse biased photodiode and current sense resistor on top of a 9V battery. Then combined with my handheld portable scopemeter I could measure the brightness of these LEDs versus time.

I sacrificed a new 9V battery snap for the endeavor. Perhaps one could salvage the snaps of an expired 9V battery.

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So far things look okay. Time will tell if I end up breaking the 9V snaps off... lol

My First 9V Topper Circuit

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If I make a second topper circuit I could make a much more luxurious version of this circuit which includes a dual op-amp in a DIP package.

Testing in the Garden

Finally I get to the point of why I built the circuit in the first place! I was curious to see if these product claims were even remotely true:

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They claim to be shimmer-free:

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At first glance there dosen't appear any addition circuitry in the string lights aside from the LEDs themselves. The plugs look ordinary

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(This isn't a blog post or content for competition so excuse the blurry photos for now :) )

Are the LEDs constant-lit?

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No, but interestingly they LEDs are active on both halves of a line cycle:

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I am still think about this one, it isn't obvious there is a bridge rectifier nestled away in the strand or plug. Perhaps each "LED" has two LEDs in opposing polarities?

Old skool LED Christmas lights are only active one half of the 60 Hz line cycle

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Interesting...

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  • ralphjy
    ralphjy over 2 years ago +5
    Not sure I've got this right, but if you just want to add contacts to the top of the battery - Digikey sells some contacts mounted to a fibre plate that can be mounted on a PCB or used separately. Comes…
  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago +5
    O hello there little bond wire I used a TEFD4300 photodiode because I had them. If you were interested in measuring the flicker of a larger light source like an E26 lamp I think a small solar panel…
  • ralphjy
    ralphjy over 2 years ago +5
    Interesting discovery of "full wave" performance of the string lights.. I think you have inspired me to build some of my own 9V "toppers" using the Digikey contacts and 3D printed housings. Would be…
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 2 years ago
    scottiebabe said:
    Time will tell if I end up breaking the 9V snaps off... lol

    I've seen them bolted / riveted onto a PCB. Might be more robust. 

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Ohh that's a great idea! Thanks:) I have previously avoided 9V batteries like the plague. But, now having purchased rechargeable one's I'm open to taking a second look!

    Are you suggesting I use the bolts to make electrical contact as well? or only hold the battery.

    I guess these spring holder are also very inexpensive:

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    But then its not quite a topper circuit. Still potentially helpful. 

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  • ralphjy
    ralphjy over 2 years ago

    Not sure I've got this right, but if you just want to add contacts to the top of the battery - Digikey sells some contacts mounted to a fibre plate that can be mounted on a PCB or used separately.  Comes in two pin lengths.  Cost $1.69

    Vertical 9 Volt PC Snap-On Contact

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  • dougw
    dougw over 2 years ago

    Right angle PCB terminals....

    Keystone 594  image  Keystone 593 image

    These allow the PCB to support the battery.

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago

    O hello there little bond wire Slight smile

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    I used a TEFD4300 photodiode because I had them. 

    If you were interested in measuring the flicker of a larger light source like an E26 lamp I think a small solar panel would be just fine too at 50/60 Hz.

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to ralphjy

    Those look great! Thank-you Slight smile my previous experiences with 9V batteries were just like this:

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    The battery dangling/rattling around, sometimes  I would drill a hole for strain relief. But then when the battery dies I never had fresh ones in stock.

    Now that I have rechargeable that's not really an issue. They are handy when you want a low noise supply rail for a small circuit.

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to dougw

    Those are neat too! And they have a version where the battery can sit on top of the pcb

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    I suppose if you snapped them to a battery before soldering it wouldn't be too difficult to get the alignment correct on a perfboard bare copper clad proto boards.

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    "...Are you suggesting I use the bolts to make electrical contact as well? or only hold the battery..."

    The bolts/rivets just passed through the holes in the centre of the battery snaps and through the PCB with a star washer onto the copper pad. I think some snaps have larger holes than others and some will take a countersink machine screw head without interfering with the battery terminal.

    The battery then clipped on perpendicular to the PCB. Similar to Ralph's suggestion but with bolts/rivets instead of through-hole solder pins.

    If I recall correctly, mechanical support to the battery was just provided by the enclosure. But I guess it could be easily provided by a 3D-printed plastic clip over the battery and into a couple of holes in the PCB. 

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  • wolfgangfriedrich
    wolfgangfriedrich over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    And then you can really confuse the circuit with battery holders like this:

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    Typical 9V terminals with only 4 AA cells giving ~6V. Disappointed

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to wolfgangfriedrich

    LOL I have never seen these before! That's too bad they didn't use 6 AAs then it really would be a super 9V battery. I believe that's all that's inside a 9V battery 6 tiny (don't remember the size code) cells in series 

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