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Magnetic Radiation

lescolliershustoke@virginmedia.com
lescolliershustoke@virginmedia.com over 8 years ago

Hi

     a question :>

 

I have a solenoid and it has a certain range to it, i.e. the magnetic field does not go on fro ever for practical purposes.

 

I can adjust the design to gain more range, I can wind more turns on the armature but this won't extend the range if the core material saturates out. I can up the voltage and hence the current, but this creates more heat that I have to dissipate, and I want to power from a battery at the end of the day. So I am trying to get the longest range I can from 10 to 14 volts.

 

 

Does anyone have an answer on which parameter to try moving first assuming the range I have is not good enough.

 

regards

 

 

Les C

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp +2
    Can you draw a diagram of what you are trying to do, or at least explain it better. Generally speaking magnetism is not a long range phenomenon (ie it's pretty weak once you are separated from the source…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to lescolliershustoke@virginmedia.com +2
    Hi Les, The magnetic field lines, that are being generated by a specific amount of power (Amps times Volts), are part of a magnetic circuit that by convention comes out of the north pole and loops around…
  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 8 years ago +2
    Frequently Used Equations – The Physics Hypertextbook Radiation – The Physics Hypertextbook
  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 8 years ago

    It is tough to get much range from a solenoid.  To double the distance ya' gotta square the power.  At some point you are looking  at a linear motor or some other soln.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 8 years ago

    One idea is to use a lever to increase travel.

    Another idea is to use a short high current pulse to get maximum range. Once the actuator has pulled in, the holding current can be reduced.

    Maybe you could even mount a second coil behind the first coil, once the actuator is pulled in enough with the first coil, activate the second coil and deactivate the first coil. The coils can overlap if needed.

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 8 years ago

    Hi Les,

     

    I got the impression from your question that you are using an open coil and that you are not talking about the travel of a plunger but rather the extent that the magnetic field extends radially from the coil. Is this so?

     

    John

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  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 8 years ago in reply to dougw

    To be fair, you are describing a small linear motor, in a sense

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  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Forever and ever?

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  • lescolliershustoke@virginmedia.com
    lescolliershustoke@virginmedia.com over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hello yes this is the case i.e. from a coil and core how do I achieve the maximum range ?  Given I have limited power i.e. a 12V battery.

     

    I think, but don't know, If I pick the right core material it will help, not sure about geometric shape.

     

    regards

     

    Les C

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to lescolliershustoke@virginmedia.com

    Hi Les,

     

    Could you use a boost converter to increase the voltage above the 12V available from the battery?

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • lescolliershustoke@virginmedia.com
    lescolliershustoke@virginmedia.com over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi

    a boost convertor is something I had considered jumping from 12 to 24V but if I could find another way then I would take the most cost effective / reliable way.  Do you have in mind a circuit you have used to do this ?  I have had a trawl around the net but there are so many circuits out there I cannot evaluate them all and I would like the device to be as reliable as I can make it.

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to lescolliershustoke@virginmedia.com

    Les Collier wrote:

     

    Do you have in mind a circuit you have used to do this ?

    12V to 24V step up is a fairly common thing to want to do so there will be lots of circuits for this around. You've not given us too much detail on your coil, how much current does it draw from your existing 12V supply? This will affect the choice of converter IC. There are lots of cheap ready made converters available if you want to try an off the shelf solution, something like this maybe just to do some initial testing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X401127469617.TRS0&_nkw=401127469617&_sacat=0

     

    Be warned, you get what you pay for and often things like this which are cheap aren't good for a reliable long term solution. Test the theory with something like this and then look for a more permanent solution after you have proof of concept.

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Can you draw a diagram of what you are trying to do, or at least explain it better. Generally speaking magnetism is not a long range phenomenon (ie it's pretty weak once you are separated from the source by a distance equivalent to the size of the source, eg the flux from a solenoid is pretty low once you are 1 solenoid length away from the end.) - if we understood what you are trying to do it might be possible to help a bit better.

     

    MK

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