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Electronic CAD - Which is the best value?

dougw
dougw over 3 years ago

To get an idea of best value, you need to convert your CAD time to money and add the cost of the product to get total cost. Then divide your output by the total cost.

Altium Circuit Studio $688
Cadence OrCad $530
Autodesk Eagle $645
Siemens Mentor PADS $499
Easy-PC $360
KiCad $0

Other - there are lots of others to consider.

It would seem that CAD is not in the Technologies list on this forum.

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 3 years ago +3
    There are many other low cost options. I use and strongly recommend EasyPC from Number 1 systems. It's cheap and above all simple. No good for ultra fast wiggly impedance and ns matched tracks but…
  • Andrew J
    Andrew J over 3 years ago +2
    On that list alone, you'd have to say Kicad surely! I suppose if, say, Altium had a needed feature not present in KiCad with no work around, then Altium is the best value. I'm probably biased in any case…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 3 years ago in reply to michaelkellett +2
    michaelkellett said: Don't be misled by PCB systems that offer built in simulation LtSpice (from AD) or SuperSpice are free. I've never found the integration of a simulator with the pcb tool to be worth…
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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 3 years ago

    Incidentally, that's the price for a year : ) Unless one freezes their PC from updates (not practical), at some point the chances are high an upgrade would be needed. Maybe not an upgrade every year, but perhaps every two years might need to be budgeted.

    For hobbyists the answer is clear (I think you knew the answer when you wrote the question : )

    For businesses, the better options from all of these manufacturers are a different price, there are more enterprise-focussed products they offer. 

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    dougw over 3 years ago in reply to shabaz

    If you are talking about OrCad, it is a perpetual license. It is stable enough that you shouldn't need to upgrade until your computer operating system no longer supports your CAD version. I assume there are lots of different opinions on the subject. I was just wondering if these "low" cost versions of high end CAD systems were attractive to members for whatever their reasons might be, such as they use the big brother system at work. For example, in my case we use Cadence at work, but I am not motivated to use it at home, even at this price. I own an old version of Eagle at home and there are no fees associated with it, so there is no value in switching to KiCad just for the price. KiCad got a big infusion from CERN 10 years after I bought Eagle.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 3 years ago in reply to shabaz

    If you are talking about OrCad, it is a perpetual license. It is stable enough that you shouldn't need to upgrade until your computer operating system no longer supports your CAD version. I assume there are lots of different opinions on the subject. I was just wondering if these "low" cost versions of high end CAD systems were attractive to members for whatever their reasons might be, such as they use the big brother system at work. For example, in my case we use Cadence at work, but I am not motivated to use it at home, even at this price. I own an old version of Eagle at home and there are no fees associated with it, so there is no value in switching to KiCad just for the price. KiCad got a big infusion from CERN 10 years after I bought Eagle.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 3 years ago in reply to dougw

    Hi Doug,

    I agree, for productivity for hobbyists, there's nothing quite like old EAGLE, it feels very much optimised to get core things done very quickly. Certainly, it takes longer with KiCAD, since KiCAD is still missing some things like making changes to groups of items, which EAGLE is not bad at, and complex board shapes (not complex pads! they are a complete pain with old EAGLE) are quick natively with EAGLE too. I think all of the CAD packages listed would be slower for the core hobbyist tasks compared to EAGLE. However, you're on a zero-cost release, whereas others would have to spend $600 per year to experience that speed. From my perspective, I'm prepared to take the hit on productivity on some aspects, and still have a warm feeling I can accelerate in places with some custom code, and through use of the new features which old EAGLE doesn't have. I'm prepared to do that despite still being able to fall back on old EAGLE, but can totally understand that others might not if they too have old EAGLE.

    If I didn't have old EAGLE, then the decision is in some ways easier between the two - I'd be very willing to take this productivity hit, because it's small compared to the very large cost per year for EAGLE. Fusion 360 doesn't factor in for me, so perhaps it is likely a different story for others who make use of that. I want to use FreeCAD, because I'm pretty sure it will meet my very minimal CAD needs. All this is hobbyist level - at work I don't use any CAD package (and when I did, I used software which isn't developed any longer, by Zuken).

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    dougw over 3 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Zuken used to be a pretty big name in CAD, although it is one of the few I never tried. If I didn't have Eagle, I would most likely be using KiCad, although for small projects I might try free versions of expensive packages.

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