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Should Handheld multimeters have color LCD displays?

scottiebabe
scottiebabe over 2 years ago

As I am waiting for my OWON HDS242 to come in the mail, I thought I might ask other members how they feel about a handheld multimeter having a power hungry color LCD display.

The product webpage suggests a battery life of 3-6 hours. https://www.owon.com.hk/products_owon_hds200_series_digital_oscilloscope 

Even more interesting/exciting is the batteries can be recharged with a USB-C cable.

Based on Kerry Wong's teardown: http://www.kerrywong.com/2021/09/18/teardown-of-an-owon-hds272s-3-in-1-handheld-oscilloscope-dmm-awg-compared-with-hantek-2d72/ the multimeter functionality is galvanically isolated from the usb connector.

What do you think?

First time trying the poll feature, hopefully I didn't goof it!

Based on Kerry's notes the meter also has the bones of a real oscilloscope (ADC, FPGA, Sample memory, etc..) How performant is oscilloscope it? I don't know yet.... But I am intrigued!

Update: The scopemeter arrived!

Indoors the color LCD looks awesome! For me my multimeter ends up either sitting flat on my desk on in my lap and in both those cases the display is 10x easier to read than a segment LCD without a backlight.

Outdoors with direct sunlight the segment LCD is easier to read than the color LCD.

In the shade outdoors, I think both display technologies are equally legible.

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  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 2 years ago +6
    So.... I'd say, "yes," but, I'd rather have a higher-quality monochrome than a lower-quality color. That said if I can slightly flex, a company called Kaitweets sent me one of their meters. These are…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago +4
    I voted Yes! although I don't know why I'd need it yet. In other instruments, colour has often been a gimmick in the beginning. But then real good use was found for it. I put my money on this: "in a…
  • dang74
    dang74 over 2 years ago +4
    I voted yes, but it was in context to the additional information that was provided, namely that in this case it's perfectly acceptable because the product also doubles as an oscilloscope. Should all manufacturers…
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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago

    There is no denying I got a warm fuzzy feeling when I powered on the scopemeter for the first time! But who doesn’t like getting new shinny things, or better yet, new test gear!
    Ohh Scottie what frequencies does your induction cooktop switch at?
    Let me make a loop antenna with my scope probe and measure it with my OWON HDS242 scopemeter:

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    Between 19 kHz and 36 kHz. LOL


    I definitely love having a bright color display! Will I love the battery life that is the question!!

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    I was wondering what looked weird in that photo (apart from seeing the waveform on a multimeter!), and then realized that it just looks strange not having any normal multimeter test leads connected to it : ) 

    It's a very much useful device than I originally thought.. I didn't realize it was dual channel.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I saw it too.

    I think it's a lovely device. The first time I see a non-bench oscilloscope, and I think it's not a gimmick.

    My bench space is limited. When I need a scope, I have to get it and give it bench space.
    The Owon would be an excellent contender in a generic probing exercises.

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    For the price it was too tempting to not buy it and try it out. For basic troubleshooting/investigations/ basic sanity measurements I think it is a total winner (assuming I don’t blowout the frontend in the near future lol)

     Action Shots:

    Probing 12 Mbit USB on a RPi Pico:

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    You can even see the 1 ms USB SOF packet

     image

    Probing the 62.5 MHz flash clock line is really pushing the scope to its limits. But you can clearly see the clock signal is there and alive!

    image

    (Why didn't the screenshot include the cursor delta 16 ns, not sure...)

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    scottiebabe , have you been able to talk (scpi) with the oscilloscope? It's not coming up as a test device, has no USB serial interface and LabVIEW doesn't know how to connect to it.

    I have a manual for the instructions, but could not locate a connection manual. My google-fu hasn't gotten me further yet.

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Someone on the eevblog posted a sample python script using pyusb, that is what I have been using. All credit to the forum author not me!

    https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/owon-hds-200-handheld-oscilloscope-w-builtin-dmmawg/?action=dlattach;attach=1247503 

    Using pyusb is surprising simple! I presume labview might let you do the same thing quite easily too

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Someone on the eevblog posted a sample python script using pyusb, that is what I have been using. All credit to the forum author not me!

    https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/owon-hds-200-handheld-oscilloscope-w-builtin-dmmawg/?action=dlattach;attach=1247503 

    Using pyusb is surprising simple! I presume labview might let you do the same thing quite easily too

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    Great! it has the 0x03 and 0x81 bulk out and in handles. I think I can start from that

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    I believe it is 0x01 and 0x81

    My scopemeter has the same vid/pid as my f-gen (which I believe is the same vid/pid as yours) so in pyusb I had to add one more search parameter to ensure I was talking to the right thing! 

    dev = usb.core.find(idVendor=0x5345, idProduct=0x1234,product='oscilloscope')

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    I have it working in the NI VISA resource testbed:

    image.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    .... and from  a LabVIEW test flow:

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    Yay!

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    This is awesome! Great work, I would much rather use the ni-visa interface over python... I will have to look into this! I didn't know you could do raw usb over visa

    Thanks for sharing Slight smile

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  • Hattifnatten
    Hattifnatten 10 months ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi Jan

    how did you get ni-Max to find it?

    br

    jørgen

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps 10 months ago in reply to Hattifnatten

    I don't recall it. Let me try to see if I had set up an alias, or if it found it automatically. Hang on ...

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps 10 months ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    I  created a driver with NI-VISA Driver Wizard, then looked up what the right URI format is, for raw USB.


    And based on the info in the wizard, and those instructions, I forged the URI:image

    Unfortunately, when I test it now, it doesn't connect. I hope I documented my work ...

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps 10 months ago in reply to Hattifnatten

    I found my instructions back: community.element14.com/.../first-impressions-software-control-of-multicomp-pro-handheld-oscilloscope---scpi

    It doesn't work anymore, though. Even though the device enumerates correctly, using NI-VISA's driver, I get no connection. 

    No clue ...

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  • Hattifnatten
    Hattifnatten 10 months ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi Jan

    Thanks for reply, I know it is an older thread..

    I can make the driver with the NI driver tool but, it wont accept the certificate.

    I think it is some policy on Microsoft part that is more limited now.

    The example from the thread based on Python is working fine, but i have a vba macro that i use with other instruments, and would like to add the OWON HDS242S to the bunch.

    BR

    Jorgen

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