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Does anyone know of a good circuit design to demonstrate echo on voice communications?

rad_bcit
rad_bcit over 2 years ago

Many years ago, one of the things that attracted me into taking telecommunications training was a demo illustrating the effects of echo on a person’s ability to communicate over a telephone.

The user picked up a plain old telephone handset and attempted to speak and, as with most telephones, as portion of the voice signal from the transmitter/mouthpiece was echoed back as “sidetone” via the receiver/earpiece. At some settings of the device, I found it very difficult to speak because of the echo.

A snippet from https://getvoip.com/blog/phone-echoing/ (Rebecca Drew) explains the effect I experienced:

Echoing interferes with our understanding of another person’s voice in a phone call, and it confuses a person who is speaking because they hear themselves on the line. The problem is the delay between the spoken word in the outbound call stream and its reflection in the return stream. …

If the delay is less than 25 milliseconds, it’s almost undetectable. If the delay is around 55 milliseconds, the user experience is similar to having 2 people saying the same thing at the same time (a chorus-like effect). This level of echo or delay, though noticeable, is tolerable.

Once a delay increases beyond 55 milliseconds it becomes very annoying and distracting to users. At this point, it becomes nearly impossible to carry on a conversation. For a normal user, the echo of their own voice will essentially break down the call by interrupting their thought process.

My hope is that I can reproduce this fascinating demo for use in student recruiting events.

Does anyone have any ideas, circuit diagrams, or resources that would help me get this done?

I don’t have a large budget, but I have access to many tools and electronics components to get this done from scratch. However, I also think a black box modifying a prebuilt device such as a musician’s effects pedal such as the MXR Carbon Copy, would do the job, making more efficient use of the limited amount of time I have available.

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 2 years ago +2
    You just need a microphone, an audio delay and some headphones. You can get the same effect with in ear monitors if the delay from your microphone through the mixer back to the in ear monitors goes beyond…
  • rad_bcit
    rad_bcit over 2 years ago in reply to beacon_dave +2
    Thanks for the reply, beacon_dave. Your suggestion of video has given me another idea. Perhaps I could show the same video image on multiple systems, each displaying a different amount of pixelation…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to rad_bcit +2
    Great! If you get stuck feel free to ask, I'm sure eventually one of us will figure it out. It's definitely an interesting topic. I recall talking to an ex audio-engineer once, he mentioned that in…
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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave over 2 years ago

    You just need a microphone, an audio delay and some headphones. 

    You can get the same effect with in ear monitors if the delay from your microphone through the mixer back to the in ear monitors goes beyond a few milliseconds.

    Being able to adjust the delay allows you to fine tune it to the point where it becomes impossible to speak.

    Another way you can experience it is using a video camera - if the microphone goes through the camera, the latency in the camera video processing results in an audio delay coming back out of the camera. If you are monitoring the audio from the delayed camera output whilst speaking into the microphone, you can experience it. It will be a fixed delay though.

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    0 beacon_dave over 2 years ago

    You just need a microphone, an audio delay and some headphones. 

    You can get the same effect with in ear monitors if the delay from your microphone through the mixer back to the in ear monitors goes beyond a few milliseconds.

    Being able to adjust the delay allows you to fine tune it to the point where it becomes impossible to speak.

    Another way you can experience it is using a video camera - if the microphone goes through the camera, the latency in the camera video processing results in an audio delay coming back out of the camera. If you are monitoring the audio from the delayed camera output whilst speaking into the microphone, you can experience it. It will be a fixed delay though.

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    0 rad_bcit over 2 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Thanks for the reply, beacon_dave.

    Your suggestion of video has given me another idea. Perhaps I could show the same video image on multiple systems, each displaying a different amount of pixelation, due to differing amount of bandwidth on the communications paths.

    My ultimate goal is to have something eye-catching that would attract interest to our display booth.

    However, as an old-timer myself, I would first like to do this with a POTS telephone like this desk phone I have (trademarked as a "Monophone" made in Brockville, Ontario by Phillips Electrical Works, a division of Automatic Electric). I would clean it up first! 

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