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Does AI plagiarize and take credit for work of others ?

robogary
robogary 3 months ago

I was surfing the web for advice on remedies for python error "module missing" and then for example code to compare to.

Later I did the same google on my cell phone, which AI wants first shot to answer. It told me " here is code from AI" , which looks exactly like example code from an older webpage. 

I was thinking , Mr AI if you found this code in cyberspace, why didn't you give the originator get credit ? It's not like they asked you for money.

I wonder if AI does the same for recipes. ......

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  • dang74
    dang74 3 months ago in reply to shabaz +2
    I won't be able to persuade you further... but I leave you with this... "It's unfair to say the student cheated on the entire exam. After all he didn't need to peer over anyone's shoulder when he was writing…
  • BigG
    BigG 3 months ago +1
    I rather like Gemini, and to date have not noticed this sort of thing. But just to be sure, I asked... Not bad for an AI response. https://g.co/gemini/share/6dc95911917d
  • BigG
    BigG 3 months ago in reply to robogary +1
    Ha, I think it's simply learnt how to bluff, by ensuring that it is 100% confident in all the answers given.
  • shabaz
    shabaz 3 months ago

    In some respects I think it's fair for the user to do that research, i.e. make sure the AI output is valid and functioning, and isn't using anyone's code that may require permission or attribution.

    Personally, I prefer to examine each line of AI-suggested code, to see if I can do it better, or tailor it to my style, and that ends up with some re-write, and guides the AI for subsequent lines of code too.

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  • obones
    obones 3 months ago in reply to shabaz

    Except that no one is doing this, and I've already seen my own code being output verbatim by Copilot, even with the typo I made at the time.

    Sure, that code is under a permissive license in terms of usage, but that license clearly requires citing me and the other contributors, which is NOT happening here.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 3 months ago in reply to obones

    How's that different from pre-AI though? If people want to abuse license terms, they would have done so pre-AI too.

    I think those that respect license terms, will be taking care as they were before. Personally, I do that by not accepting large chunks of code, without going through each line, and guiding the AI on a per-line basis.

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    BigG 3 months ago

    I rather like Gemini, and to date have not noticed this sort of thing. But just to be sure, I asked...

    Not bad for an AI response.

    https://g.co/gemini/share/6dc95911917d

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  • robogary
    robogary 3 months ago in reply to BigG

    ROFL - If AI can learn from all data accessible thru internet, maybe it has learned to dig deeper and "spin a response favorable to its existence" :-)? 

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  • BigG
    BigG 3 months ago in reply to robogary

    Laughing

    Ha, I think it's simply learnt how to bluff, by ensuring that it is 100% confident in all the answers given.

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  • obones
    obones 3 months ago in reply to shabaz

    The main difference is that before AI "pumped" all that code, one had to get to it and it was hardly possible to miss the comment at the top or the LICENSE file describing the conditions. Sure, one could always ignore it and I'm sure it happened.

    But with AI, the code is given without any context, without citing any reference, even sometimes giving the impression this is its own creation "out of the blue".

    I see you have a good discipline about that, but I can assure you this is a rare situation.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 3 months ago in reply to obones

    Some hobbyists might just take code perhaps, but I would have thought almost every engineer from junior level upwards will have been trained about not taking source code without considering the license. It's drilled into them because of the liability if orgs use stolen code.

    There are disreputable firms that probably don't care all too much I guess. 

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  • dang74
    dang74 3 months ago in reply to shabaz

    If we set the responsibilities of individual users aside for a moment it does seem from examples provided by obones that the AI algorithms are playing fast and loose with intellectual property and stripping out the credits or conditions for using a specific code snippet... and that doesn't quite sit right in my opinion.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 3 months ago in reply to dang74

    I agree it's not ideal, I just don't think it's as big an issue as some people think, because engineers still need to consider their sources, and they needed to do that pre-AI too. If it was such a big issue, people wouldn't be using it.

    I acknowledge the limitations, but equally I believe people should and do work around it in a moral way, same as engineers did pre-AI (well, at least the normal engineers; there are the immoral ones like those responsible for emissions scandal, dodgy firms that won't care about laws regardless, and so on).

    Has life become harder for an engineer to discover the sources? Maybe, but that's a decision the engineer has completely under their own control, because they are not obligated to use AI output, or they could choose to restrict their AI usage to (say) tasks that are not going to form part of their product, and their are plenty of those sorts of tasks to benefit from using AI as well.

    Today the responsibility (and liability) lies with the engineer and the firm that accepted the code to a large extent. Would that responsibility change even if AI provided a thorough list of sources? Probably not, for two reasons:

    Firstly, because AI is not 100% accurate, the engineer would be expected to check regardless.

    Secondly, practically speaking, I cannot imagine governments allowing individuals and firms to sue AI companies for unbounded amounts of mistakes, because AI companies cannot be expected to anticipate all repercussions. An analogy is one's mobile phone data connection going offline. If that occurs when someone wanted to make a stock transaction and they lose millions, they could try taking the phone company to court, and the case would get thrown out, because it's completely impractical for commerce if the phone company could be liable for this. Today it's much easier for the user to "do something" to reduce risk, than it is for the AI firm or phone company respectively.

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