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Bubble gum Chips? (HC-SR04 Clone)

scottiebabe
scottiebabe 1 month ago

I have a few no-name 40khz ultrasonic distance sensor modules (HC-SR04) laying around.

I purchased them a few years ago, but they still seem to be for sale.

They appear visually similar to the original sensor module.

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I thought I might scope some on board signals and maybe Frankenstein my own with a Pico, but I haven't gotten that far.

I searched for a schematic online, and came across the following

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Schematic credit : https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Circuit-diagram-of-HC-SR04_fig2_334627562

Only one of the chips on my module are marked, the leftmost chip is an lm324. The center chip is presumable the mcu and the rightmost a max232.

Looking around the "max232" there isn't a single capacitor, not even a decoupling cap, let alone the charge pump caps.

Hmmm. What is it?

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I pulled the chip off

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Testing the chip out of circuit, I measure a zero ohm short between the input and output pins of the output driver (pins 10&7, 11&14)

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No parasitic diodes from io pins to ground, resistance between vcc and ground measures open-circuit.

So far it looks like a pointless chip, just 2 jumper links in a 16-smd package.

I have nothing against simplifying or economizing a design, delete the max232 transceiver all together.

Don't put a bubble gum chip on the board.

Anything I should test before sanding the chip down to see what's inside?

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe 1 month ago in reply to scottiebabe +7
    lol it works. Why go to all the effort, so bizarre.
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    scottiebabe 1 month ago in reply to anniel747 +3
    It is equivelant to Q2 on the first schematic. After some more searching I found a blog where someone else documented the schematic of this board https://hw-by-design.blogspot.com/2018/07/ultrasonic…
  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe 1 month ago +3
    From o-scope to simulation
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    scottiebabe 1 month ago

    I have found 2 diode junctions! So far my best guess:

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    scottiebabe 1 month ago in reply to scottiebabe

    lol it works.

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    Why go to all the effort, so bizarre. 

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    anniel747 1 month ago in reply to scottiebabe
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    beacon_dave 1 month ago in reply to anniel747

    Looks like it is connected to the charge pump capacitor pins if it was a MAX232 pinout but looks like the PCB traces may suggest otherwise.

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    beacon_dave 1 month ago in reply to anniel747

    Ah, is it Q2 on the left hand side of the schematic ?

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    beacon_dave 1 month ago in reply to anniel747

    Ah, is it Q2 on the left hand side of the schematic ?

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