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Using an LED as Light Detector

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FreeBird 8 months ago

An article I read in Popular Electronics magazine from the 1980's inspired this experiment.  The article was authored by Forrest Mims, renowned citizen scientist.  In it he mentioned that he had discovered during the 1970's that LED's not only emitted light, but could detect light. This got my curious mind wondering if I could use the LED's I had aquired through Amazon from some far off foreign manufacturer extremely cheap.  Like less than $5.00 for 100 each of 5 different colors could be used to detect light.  It would appear they can.

Procedure: My lab (office) is on the second story of my home in S.W. Missouri, it has only one window facing due East.I waited until mid afternoon when the sun was in the western sky. Turned off the one artificial light in the room. Using the small bread board (about 2" square) that came with my Arduino Kit years ago, I inserted an LED and a couple of short pieces of wire to connect my DMM test leads too.  I then instructed the DMM to collect 500 sample voltage readings and export the collected data to .csv files. I then suspended a small LED flashlight about an inch from the LED and ran another 500 samples.  I repeated this process for all 5 colors of LED's, white, red, yellow, green and blue that came with this kit. The attached PDF files is a report of the raw findings.

Hope you enjoyed this, feel free to ask questions in the comments.  I look forward to hopefully starting a discussion around this, maybe talk about how we can use this to discover life in far off galaxies (probably not), but maybe use it to have fun with our hobby is a more attainable goal.

Thanks

Charlie (Freebird)

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    michaelkellett 8 months ago

    This isn't the best way to use an LED as a detector (or a photo diode).

    You would do much better to measure the photo current using a transimpedance amplifier.

    https://ultimateelectronicsbook.com/op-amp-transimpedance-amplifier/

    This will be much less affected by external noise and independent of the input impedance of the meter.

    But the real question is - why bother - photo diodes are quite cheap.

    (You could buy 700 for £8.61 from Aliexpress = £0.0123 each

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006783218523.html

    )

    So what's gained by using an LED as a bad photo detector ?

    MK

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    FreeBird 8 months ago in reply to michaelkellett

    So what's gained by using an LED as a bad photo detector ? 
    Well I have already gained something far more valuable then being able to detect light, thanks to your response, I have learned that my method of testing this is questionable,
    there is something called a transimpedance amplifier, I will following your link and looking that up in the near future (first the honey do list). 

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    FreeBird 8 months ago in reply to FreeBird

    By the way I also have some photo diodes and now I believe my next step in tinkering with this may be to compare test and compare light detection results of cheap  LED's to cheap photo diodes.  Thanks for the suggestion.

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    FreeBird 8 months ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Per your suggestion, I created a transimpedance amplifier, using a 741 op amp.  This morning I am (well was, until a need for more coffee struck) experimenting with that circuit and trying to understand it better prior to re-running my experiment with all 5 LED's. I also intend to add a photo diode into the mix and see how that compares.  By the way, thank you for your input.

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    FreeBird 8 months ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Per your suggestion, I created a transimpedance amplifier, using a 741 op amp.  This morning I am (well was, until a need for more coffee struck) experimenting with that circuit and trying to understand it better prior to re-running my experiment with all 5 LED's. I also intend to add a photo diode into the mix and see how that compares.  By the way, thank you for your input.

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