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  • Author Author: baldengineer
  • Date Created: 23 Jan 2019 12:45 PM Date Created
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When tearing down a product, you will need a screwdriver and plenty of bits. Duratool has you covered with this cordless screwdriver set. In this review, James takes apart a 40-year-old oscilloscope with the help of a cordless screwdriver, some magnetic trays, and a variety of pliers. See inside this antique and see if your bench needs an upgrade.

 

In this Workbench Wednesdays video, I look at a couple of tools to help with the teardown of a device. The device I picked is a vintage Tektronix 465B oscilloscope. I picked it up several months ago with a note that said "as-is." That told me it probably has some issues. And as I found out, it does. I did not do a complete teardown. I realized about halfway through; I still needed to shoot some footage with the scope next to me. But I was afraid if I tore it completely down, I may not be able to re-assemble it enough before my video deadline!

 

The mechanical design is just as amazing as the electrical design. It amazes me when I look at a piece of art like this that it was designed entirely on paper. The chassis is simple but effective. Each circuit board is absolutely beautiful. As I pointed out in the video, there are a few things that really caught my eye.

 

Below are some extra pictures I took. Follow my e14 blog (or Workbench Wednesdays ) to see future progress on this repair. I'm still not sure what is wrong with it, but I need to finish a few other projects before I come back to this one.

 

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Picture 1. The Tek 465B is sitting on my desk. From this view, The module on top of the scope is a DMM. At first, I thought this was just attached to the top of the scope's case. It looked like to me it was an orderable option. (And it may have been.) But you'll see in the next picture, I was wrong about how it was attached.

 

 

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Picture 2. This is the back side of the scope. Here you can see the DMM module is attached to the chassis. The cover, shown in the video, has a cut out for the DMM. You can also get a view of the cathode ray tube in the middle of the device. Before taking it apart, I didn't plug it in. So I know the CRT and its capacitors had at least two months to discharge!

 

 

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Picture 3. My favorite board. This photo is the same angle as picture two. Here you get a better close up of the vertical board. It contains two custom ICs with a gold lead-frame packaging. I believe those to be the amplifiers for channel 1 and channel 2. Near the back are some 7400-series logic chips. In the video, I made a point that I didn't expect to see them. While editing, I got to thinking, maybe these are for some trigger logic. That's about the only reason I could think the analog amplifier board would have simple logic ICs on it. Especially on an instrument from 1978.

 

 

Picture 4. Same side as picture 3 but now from the front. The knobs are satisfying to turn. Though I can tell, they have aged quite a bit. I'm hoping to one day clean them up and get better detent clicks out of them.

 

 

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Picture 5. These ICs are on the DMM module. There I would fully expect to see digital logic being used. What caught my eye in this section is the wires. Do those look familiar to you? Let's get a better look.

 

 

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Picture 6. These are wires and headers on the DMM module. I joke in the video that they are like looking at an Arduino project but in an expensive piece of test gear. At least expensive for 1978.

Side note. The ABS plastic trays featured in this episode can be seen in this picture. Turned out, I only needed 1 or 2 of the bowls. However, you'll see them come back, and in heavier use, in a few weeks.

 

 

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Picture 7. This teardown step was the last I took before running out of time. I removed the DMM board which exposed the metal bracket holding it in place. The CRT is visible. The two small silver capacitors in the center of the screen are tantalum slugs. Over towards the right is some Kapton film. Below it is a bank of bulky tantalum capacitors. At this level of tear down, I did not find any blown caps. So the good news is that I can probably re-cap the boards quickly. The bad news is, the most apparent repair probably won't help return functionality.

 

 

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Picture 8. Finally, close up of the front panel. Not intentional, but I really got a kick out of how my new R&S RTM3004 is framed in this picture. It is the case of the "young" and "old" in a single shot. While I love using my R&S scope, for obvious reasons, this vintage analog scope is gorgeous.

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  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 6 years ago in reply to jc2048 +5
    I agree with your comments. I found the old Tek Magazine articles on the original and the B. So there is plenty of information available on it. If one of the custom ICs is dead, that would be sad. However…
  • dougw
    dougw over 6 years ago +3
    Great choice for a teardown. The 465 has to be the scope that most epitomized the genre in the last century. The scope that set the standard that everyone else wished they could match. The most popular…
  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 6 years ago +2
    That's about the only reason I could think the analog amplifier board would have simple logic ICs on it. What does the schematic show? You should be able to find one easily enough - I've got an old Tek…
  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 4 years ago

    Bald Engineer's e14 Blog yes my 465B is still ticking.. never loses a beat. the only thing that broke was one of the four feet, they also hold the cord.  I have to print 4 more of them but the printer in the library is still a no-no covid.

    ~~Cris

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    baldengineer over 6 years ago in reply to jc2048

    I agree with your comments. I found the old Tek Magazine articles on the original and the B. So there is plenty of information available on it. If one of the custom ICs is dead, that would be sad. However, since both channels seem to react the same way, I have a hope of finding the problem. I suspect it is in the timebase.

     

    Also, the 465B is relatively popular for repair. I just need more time! image

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    dougw over 6 years ago

    Great choice for a teardown. The 465 has to be the scope that most epitomized the genre in the last century. The scope that set the standard that everyone else wished they could match. The most popular workhorse instrument - because of its great performance.

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    jc2048 over 6 years ago

    That's about the only reason I could think the analog amplifier board would have simple logic ICs on it.

    What does the schematic show? You should be able to find one easily enough - I've got an old Tek 2215 (nothing like as nice as the 465, but smaller and more portable) and the manual that came with it has all the circuits in it.

     

    I've never used an actual Tek 465 but, curiously, I would be able to operate one with my eyes closed. Back in the late 1980s I worked for a company making TV broadcast equipment and they had some Kikusui 'scopes that were a direct copy. To see short glitches, we'd often use the 'scope with a hood over the screen, so you were operating the controls blind. The front panel layout was beautiful for that. With the different shapes and sizes of control and the placements with the input controls operated with the left hand and the timebase and trigger with the right it was superb.

     

    Good luck with getting it going. You should manage ok unless there's something fundamentally wrong with the tube or one of the proprietory chips - if the worst comes to the worst, you could look for another non-working one and you'd probably get a good one out of the two.

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