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  • Author Author: jc2048
  • Date Created: 25 Apr 2017 9:45 AM Date Created
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Transistors: Some Very Old Ones

jc2048
jc2048
25 Apr 2017

The other day, I was sorting through some old boxes and found a small bag of old transistors. There were two types, both

of them PNP devices. One kind was an OC204 part, made by the old British company Mullard, the other a 2S3220 device made

by Texas Instruments. I presume they date from the 1960s.

 

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I wondered if they still worked and what their characteristics would be like compared to a modern device so I built up

this circuit of a simple common-emitter amplifier on a breadboard (shown with a modern 2N3906 PNP transistor) so that I

could test them.

 

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For the base bias resistor (R2), I actually used a pot so that I could adjust the collector voltage to be -4.5V (half the

supply voltage). Both devices needed just 13.6k for R2 to bias the collector to -4.5V, unlike the 2N3904, which in the simulation

needed 430k. The gain worked out to be approximately 7 (at a collector current of 2mA). Yes, that's not a typo, the hFE

really is just 7 for both parts.

 

Here are the waveforms of the 2S3220 amplifying a 10kHz sinewave - yellow trace is the input and the blue trace is the collector (AC coupled)

 

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I was curious about the frequency response, so I plotted a crude graph of the amplifier's response for both parts. As you

can see, the response is starting to drop off at just 100kHz, so they'd have been ok for low frequency work - audio

amplifers, etc - but not much use above a couple of hundred kHz.

 

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For contrast, here's what the 2N3906 does in simulation

 

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  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 8 years ago in reply to shabaz +2
    Unfortunately, I've only got four of the OC204s. The rest are 2S3220s, which a webpage tells me are silicon. I don't know what the date of them is, but the TI parts have codes like 610, 612, 615 on them…
  • DAB
    DAB over 8 years ago +2
    Now you have me wondering about the types of interesting components my be hidden in my stash. Sounds like an excuse to do a treasure hunt. DAB
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 8 years ago +2
    Hi Jon, I love these explorations into the foundations of electronics. Just like DAB I am going to have a look into my parts graveyard for some moldy oldies to test out. John
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    jw0752 over 8 years ago

    Hi Jon,

    I love these explorations into the foundations of electronics. Just like DAB I am going to have a look into my parts graveyard for some moldy oldies to test out.

    John

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    mcb1 over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    I am going to have a look into my parts graveyard for some moldy oldies to test out.

    You had me worried for a moment, I had missed the PARTS in the sentence. image

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    mcb1 over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    I am going to have a look into my parts graveyard for some moldy oldies to test out.

    You had me worried for a moment, I had missed the PARTS in the sentence. image

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