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  • Author Author: DAB
  • Date Created: 16 Feb 2014 10:29 PM Date Created
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Why I want to speed up Global Warming!

DAB
DAB
16 Feb 2014

As some of you have seen in past posts, I completely reject the current effort to concern the public about global warming.

 

Mostly I object to the blatant scare tactics and lack of any scientific information that supports their position that we should work to stop it.  This last point is the really ludicrous goal.  When you do the math, we mortal humans have very few options when it comes to altering a natural planetary cycle.

 

So I went to the impeachable data source, the Geologic Record.  The data is very clear.  The earth has alternated between cold earth and warm earth states for the last 2.5 BILLION years.

When you add the Ice Core data, it shows that the cycle has been running about every 100,000 years for the last 700,000 to 800,000 years.

Almost all of the cycles have repeated like clockwork completely without any HUMAN involvement at all.

This last part is key.  The anti-global warming faction want to blame the industrial development by humans as the cause for the latest cycle.  rubbish!

 

The eco faction claims that burning the rain forest and burning fossil fuels has increased the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and that is the cause of global warming.  Unfortunately, the math just does not work for this claim.

First of all, they are trying to use the Ice Core data as their source for comparing the CO2 levels.  They only made one tiny mistake.  The Ice trapped the CO2 level at about 10,000 feet (3000 meters) or higher.  They then want to compare those values to the current CO2 levels as measured at sea level.  When you look at the atmosphere density numbers, you would need to read twice or three times that sea level data to match the expected CO2 levels trapped in the ice.

 

Note, all of this data is in a paper published by a Polish Geologist who correctly measured the physical process of how the CO2 is first trapped and then dissolved into the water crystals as the weight of the ice compresses each snow level into glacial ice.  His research shows a very clean natural cycle by which the CO2 is removed from the atmosphere on the onset of global cooling.  Over the 50,000 years of the cycle, the CO2 levels are slowly reduced until they reach their minimum levels at the peak of the Ice age, some 12-14,000 years ago.

 

As the planet naturally warms, the ice releases the trapped CO2 until the levels reach their peak in about another 35,000 years from now.  No magic, no Human involvement, just a clean well defined natural cycle.

The latest NASA satellite measured the CO2 accumulations around the planet.  They confirmed that you have the highest concentrations of CO2 in the areas where we see melting ice.  In the high mountains and on both poles.  There were no abnormal CO2 levels in ANY of the industrial centers around the world.  So stopping the use of fossil fuels is not going to have ANY affect on the global warming cycle.

 

Now lets talk about the consequences of global warming.  The Eco factions have claimed that we will all drown as the sea levels rise as the ice melts.  That's not what the Geologic record says.

Yes, the ice will release a lot of water, BUT, ice takes up 10% more volume than water!  So we should se a net reduction in sea levels as the ice melts.

As for the land locked ice, yes it will add some additional water, but they are overlooking one important fact.  As the earth warms, there will be a tremendous absorption of water into the atmosphere.  One clear normal cycle is that warm air can hold a lot more water than cold air.  So as the earth warms, we will see a significant rise in humidity into the upper latitude regions that are currently very dry.

 

When we look into the Geologic Record, we see that a warm earth creates a huge amount of arable land up to the 70 degree latitude level.  That means we will get a huge amount of land to grow crops and support the population.  I do not see that result as being bad for humans.

 

We have also been told that the warming earth will create huge mega storms.  Again, science shows a much different result.  As the seas and the atmosphere warms, it will actually get MORE stable.  Why?  Storms are caused by the mixing of cold dry air and warm moist air.  With warm areas up to the 70 degree latitude area, the amount of cold dry air will be reduced by over 60%.  Most of the earth will experience the afternoon rain forest effect where we will get a short down pour in the late afternoon with just localized thunderstorms.  No mega hurricanes or typhoons, just consistent rain fall.  Most importantly, we will see rising humidity into areas that are now dry arid regions.  The deserts will bloom again!

 

As for living conditions, we will need much less energy to keep warm.  We should also need almost no cooling as the temperature will stabilize at about 85 degrees F for year round temperatures.

With the constant rain fall, we should have plenty of fresh water falling from the sky, so we can provide clean drinking water just about everywhere.  Hydro power can dominate the reduced energy needs of the population and we can use canals and small boats for efficient transportation.

 

I do not know about you, but I am not finding anything to fear here.

 

Plus we have a lot of time to prepare for the event.  We are currently about 13,000 years into the 50,000 year global warming cycle.  So there is absolutely no need to panic.  Yes, we will have some localized flooding along the way, but we have those every year anyway.

 

So while I am sitting in my home with the outside temperature at 30 degrees F, and oh by the way, we have spent much of the last six weeks below that temperature, I find it very desirable to have an early global warming cycle.  So I plan to burn fossil fuels, increase my carbon foot print and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere that I can and I urge all of you to do the same.

Plus I plan to beat any Eco person I meet with a stick, just to get warm. image

 

So I say enough with this Chicken Little doom and gloom propaganda about global warming.  The SCIENCE says don't panic, common sense says don't panic and the Eco people have not provided one shred of supportable data that says we should panic.  So just say "I want Global Warming and I want it NOW!" and join me in silencing these worry warts who know nothing of value.

 

Just my opinion,

DAB

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago +1
    In general I would say to DAB - I can see why you think you might be onto something here, but as I understand it the science does not support your argument. A lot of people who are concerned about the…
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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to DAB +1
    "Ecologists are not scientist. Their predictions should not be considered as science. Its just their opinions and all opinions are only worth a bucket of warm spit!" Thats a very unscientific opinion Don…
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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to DAB +1
    Actually, probably not! CO2 is plant food
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    DAB over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Well Tom, what do you call people who use scare tactics and pseudo science to harm millions of people world wide?

    The Ecologists have harmed more people than any level of global warming we have experienced to date.

    I have no problem with them studying the environment and measuring changes in conditions and its effect on plants and animals.  This is science.  I only object to their screaming the "sky is falling" without any verifiable science and mathematics to support their concern.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to DAB

    Actually, probably not! CO2 is plant food

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to DAB

    "Ecologists are not scientist.  Their predictions should not be considered as science.  Its just their opinions and all opinions are only worth a bucket of warm spit!"


    Thats a very unscientific opinion Don. Actually all scientific opinion is only opinion, but opinion backed up by hypothesis, experiment, data, expert analysis, conclusions and informed argument by peer review. Ecology is no different. I work with agronomists, agriculturalists and horticulturalists all of whom recognise the vital importance of the natural systems which keep you and me alive.

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    In general I would say to DAB - I can see why you think you might be onto something here, but as I understand it the science does not support your argument.

     

    A lot of people who are concerned about the economic consequences of climate mitigation seek refuge in the natural historical climate cycles. Yes it's true that the earth warms and cools - very very slowly, but the problem is that it should currently be cooling, not warming. Furthermore, the last time it warmed by the factor of the past 150 years, it took mother nature 8,000 years to manage it.

     

    It's essential to understand that the chief danger from climate change is not the direct effect of the weather on humans - serious though this already is for many. It is the effect on agriculture, and the ecosystem services which support it - which have largely been taken for granted until relatively recently. Your ambitions for the climate would be catastrophic for the organisms which deliver clean air, clean water and productive soil, as well as allowing for massive shifts in the distribution of predatory pests and microbes, without allowing sufficient time for interdependent ecosystems to adapt. Listen to Farming Today each morning, (that's BBC by the way), and you'll soon understand the devastating effect of the current very minor changes to weather patterns on UK farms, and the situation elsewhere in the world is already vastly worse.

     

    Historically, climate change has occurred for two reasons:

     

    1) Slow change caused largely by fluctuations in solar forcings (on cycles we understand pretty well, with a couple of small question marks). These have had major consequences for life on Earth, but on the whole it has adapted and flourished as a result (with casualties and winners, as expected though evolution, along the way).

     

    2) Rapid change caused by a) volcanic emissions - which only last for a few years and have had little effect on the ecological footprint during the holocene, and b) major externalities such as the meteor that did for the dinosaurs - and in fact a large percentage of the species on earth at the time.

     

    We are looking at something much closer to 2b today - with almost certainly major loss of life though wars over resources, and starvation due to collapse of food systems, long before by any by heat, thirst or drowning.

     

    As for the veracity of the science, we can now put the argument to bed. There is 97% agreement by those qualified to speak on this (and it is after all very complicated) working under the closest scrutiny applied to any science since the Enlightenment. The consensus is a dynamic thing, based on argument and disagreement, yet there is remarkable unanimity - further endorsed by the signatures to IPCC5 of 193 heads of state - most of whom would FAR rather believe you than the scientists!

     

    There is of course a massive amount of misinformation in the internet - and you can find very convincing-looking websites to support any hare-brained theory you like, from chemtrails to HAARP to World Trade Building Three (not to mention Elvis still being alive and working in a chip-shop). And it's even possible that buried within one of these rants there's something that would change the whole story - because there are still a few gaps an anomalies in IPCC5, and no science is ever fully proven. (Actually all the emerging science has the situation far FAR worse than IPCC5 - which barely  mentions the terrifying likelihood of major methane release from melting permafrost and acidifying oceans - but let's not go there today)!

     

    Oddly enough, many of the skeptic websites are run by retired TV weathermen and semi-pro metrorologists (many of whom are also linked to Big Oil or Big Man in the Sky agendas, but we can safely ignore them in this debate). Maybe the genuine ones just can't let go of decades of habitual methodology - which sadly no longer works because the underlying physics is changing.

     

    If anyone wants a reliable website to test out the various theories - and by reliable I mean endorsed by genuine climate scientists (and no, they're not just in it for the money - there would be FAR more to be made from 'proving' that we could carry on as before - and they're not environmentalists either, except perforce - many might have agreed with your take on the world, DAB, until the data became incontrovertable)... if you want some guys to trust go here:

     

    https://www.skepticalscience.com/

     

    The argument against your theory, DAB, is top of the list.

     

    It's a darn nuisance this is happening, and yes, it's going to cost a bomb and dramatically affect all our lives. But it IS fixable if we stop looking for reasons not to take action, and instead put our considerable skills into working out how to turn adversity to advantage.

     

    Tom

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to vsluiter

    A few points about ice: The melting of sea ice will not affect the sea level, as vsluiter says. It is the melting of land ice that will cause the major problem (though in places there will be an apparent fall in sea level as the land that had been weighted down by ice rises on release)

     

    The problem with the melting of sea ice is twofold. One is the albedo effect (white ice reflects heat, dark water or land absorbs it - so once we get to zero degrees the warming increases dramatically) and second, it warns us that the ocean is warming.

     

    We've not had any way to measure the deep ocean temp, so there is no data, but recent work suggests very strongly that this is where the heat (which has not presented during the infamous pause in surface temp since 1998 - though there are natural mitigating reasons for this too) has been going.

     

    I think we can safely assume that climate professors are aware that 'ice takes up 10% more volume than water'!

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