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  • Author Author: jw0752
  • Date Created: 16 Aug 2015 10:26 PM Date Created
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Battle of the Batteries - E*** vs D*** vs Bargain

jw0752
jw0752
16 Aug 2015

This project build and subsequent test of batteries was inspired by shabaz who several times in the last couple years, has brought up the question of which battery is better, E***, D***, or some other less expensive option. I was also eager to use my newly built DC Load unit for something more important than rack decoration.

 

The project build itself is an adapter that uses a bench power supply to power its internal circuitry, the new DC Load unit to provide a constant current load, and an external battery that is under test. The Adapter allows us to measure from the time when the battery is put under load to the time when its voltage level drops to a preselected level. I have used the circuitry of the adapter to automate this process so I do not have to physically sit and watch the millivolts drop off on the battery while holding a stop watch.

 

I will begin by posting the schematic of the adapter.

 

 

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Let's work across the schematic to explain what I am trying to do. U2 is a 12 volt linear regulator that allows the unit to be powered by a non-critical power supply of 15 volts to 21 volts. The regulator is needed to provide stable 12 volt power to the LM339 comparator, a 10K variable resistive voltage divider, and a 2K2 resistor feeding 3 diode drops to produce a 1.5 volt DC supply that powers a small 1.5 volt battery operated clock. Because the current draw is quite low the 12 volt regulator does not need a heat sink. The battery under test provides the voltage to the inverting input of the LM339 comparator. The battery is also directly under whatever load we have decided to dial up on the DC Load unit. There are 18 gauge wires running from the battery clips to the inputs of the DC Load unit. VR1 is a 10 turn 10K potentiometer that provides the non-inverting input of the LM339 with a reference voltage. Turning the VR1 control we can select the voltage which we want to be the termination target of the test. Small Chinese Voltmeters monitor the voltage from the battery as well as the reference voltage on the non-inverting input of the comparator. As long as the battery voltage is above the reference voltage the output of the comparator is pulled low. The output of the comparator is also wired to the gate of an N channel Enhanced MOSFET IRF511. As long as the gate is held low the MOSFET is open and current flows from the 12 volt rail through R5 and produces a 1.5 volt drop across the junctions of the 3 diodes. I am using diode junctions to produce the 1.5 volts for the clock since they act as regulators at this voltage for the clock. This regulated 1.5 volts in turn runs a small 1.5 volt travel clock which is timing our test.  We have set the clock to 12:00 before we start each test. Incidentally one of the 3 diodes is a Schottky Diode which is necessary to make the combined drop of the 3 diode junctions equal 1.5 volts.

 

When the battery voltage drops below the target voltage set by VR1 the comparator outputs a high and this causes the MOSFET to go into saturation and shorts out the 3 diodes and the clock, effectively stopping the timer. R3 provides a mild positive feedback to the non-inverting input which stops any oscillation between on and off.

 

This arrangement allows us to pick a current draw from the battery and then measure the time between a start voltage and a target voltage. If we multiply the current by the time we get a rough estimate of the power that was provided by the battery in this time period. If we subject different brand batteries to the same loads we will have the data we need to determine which battery is the best value of energy per dollar cost.

 

As usual for me, the project was begun with a rough approximation of the schematic posted above and then the circuit was breadboarded for testing and proof of concept..

 

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This project actually had to be breadboarded twice as after building the finished unit there were some anomalies that needed to be addressed and it was going to be easier to experiment on a breadboard than on the finished unit.

 

The physical construction of the unit begins with finding a project box. For this unit I chose one of my favorites, a plastic Pencil Box sold by Advantus Corp of Jacksonville, Florida.

 

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I like working with the plastic and they usually look presentable when finished. I use a diamond bur in a high speed drehmel to cut the holes that I need in the plastic. Experience has shown that drilling with a standard bit almost always results in cracking the plastic. For this project I used a totally clear plastic box. Here is a picture of the assembly of the mechanical parts under way.

 

 

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Here are pictures of the completed unit in operation testing a battery and a close up of the completed unit.

 

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In this last picture you can see that the battery we are testing is at 1.11 volts. It has been providing 500 mA for 56 minutes so far. Our target is actually 1 volt even though the target meter says 0.96 volts. The calibration of the unit was a real challenge and I found that it was not linear. I chose to have the calibration as accurate as possible at 6 volts which left it necessary to fudge a little at 1 volt. In the area of the 1 Volt cut off I must set the target about 60 mV below my desired cut off voltage. 

 

For the actual test I chose the 2 major brands of battery E**** and D**** as well as a Panasonic battery that I purchased in a 3 pack at the local Dollar Store. The cost break down was Brand E**** $1.20, Brand D**** $1.20 and Panasonic $0.33.  Since my old camera calls for new batteries whenever they drop below 1.4 volts I decided the first leg of the test would be from New out of the package to 1.4 volts with a 250 mA load. This first test was followed by a second test where the load was increased to 500 mA and then timing the battery until it reached 1 volt. The results of these two experiments are summarized below.

 

 

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Battery Test Report

 

August 16, 2015

 

 

 

Disclaimer: This battery test was conducted with loose controls and non-precision equipment so the results are perhaps anecdotal at best. For this test “AA” batteries were chosen. The Name Brand  batteries, D**** and E**** that were tested were purchased new at a reputable retail outlet for $4.79 for 4 batteries and were dated 2014 with a guaranteed shelf life of 10 years. The Panasonic Batteries were purchased at The Dollar Store paying $1.00 for 3 batteries. The Panasonic Batteries were not dated but also guaranteed the shelf life to be 10 years. The E**** battery weighs 23.6 grams, the D**** battery weighs 24.1 grams, and the Panasonic battery weighs 23.0 grams.

 

 

 

Test #1 is a 250 mA load from brand new condition until the battery reaches 1.4 volts which is the point at which my camera calls a battery low.

 

Bat.     START V        LOAD             V UNDER LOAD       TAGET V        TIME to TARGET

 

E****  1.62              250mA          1.53                           1.4                  20 minutes

 

D****  1.62             250mA          1.51                           1.4                  22 minutes

 

PANA  1.67              250mA          1.53                           1.4                  19 minutes

 

 

Test #2 is a 500mA load from the previous 1.4 volt level down to a 1 volt level.

 

Bat.     START V        LOAD             V UNDER LOAD       TAGET V        TIME to TARGET

 

E****  1.4                 500mA          1.33                           1.0                  1 Hour 45 Min.

 

D****  1.4                500mA          1.33                           1.0                  2 Hours

 

PANA   1.4                500Ma          1.33                           1.0                  1 Hour 40 Min.

 

 

 

Battery Output analysis:

 

In the range of brand new to 1.4 volts at 250 mA all three batteries had similar performance. If 1.4 volts is considered the low level point then time wise we would rank the batteries:

 

#1 D*** with 22 minutes of usable power.  ( 0.092 Ah)

 

#2 E*** with 20 minutes of usable power. ( 0.083 Ah)

 

#3 PANA with 19 minutes of usable power. ( 0.079 Ah)

 

 

Reevaluating with cost as a factor we obtain:

 

#1 PANA with $4.18 per Ah

 

#2 D*** with $13.04 per Ah

 

#3 E*** with $14.46 per Ah

 

 

In the range of 1.4 volts to 1 volt at 500 mA I found the bulk of the power stored in each battery. This test demonstrates that a lot of battery potential is being thrown away when equipment is unable to tolerate battery levels down to 1 volt. Here is the battery ranking in this range.

 

 

#1 D*** with 2 hours of usable power. ( 1.0 Ah )

 

#2 E*** with 1 hour 45 minutes of usable power. ( 0.875 Ah )

 

#3 PANA with 1 Hour 40 minutes of usable power. ( 0.833 Ah )

 

 

 

I will now integrate the two test runs and calculate the cost per Ah for each battery:

 

#1 PANA with 0.912 Ah of power between new and 1 volt costs $0.36 per Ah.

 

#2 D*** with 1.092 Ah of power between new and 1 volt costs $1.10 per Ah.

 

#3 E*** with 0.916 Ah of power between new and 1 volt costs $1.31 per Ah.

 

 

 

I can’t speak for anyone else but if you can find an alkaline battery in a discount store that can supply 84 % of the power of a top name brand at 28% of the cost of the same name brand I would call it a no-brainer.

 

John

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 10 years ago +2
    I bet it's not easy to travel by plane with this test setup in your lugage
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps +2
    There is so much noise in that thread that I couldn't be bothered to look at very much of it ! I have done my own testing (targeted at the applications I'm working on) using pairs of AA batteries. It costs…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 10 years ago +1
    Hi John, I read this blog post with a smile - it is one of the cleverest circuits I've seen in a long time. I thought it was very smart. Easy to replicate, and provides all the information you need in…
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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 10 years ago

    Hi John,

     

    I read this blog post with a smile - it is one of the cleverest circuits I've seen in a long time. I thought it was very smart.

    Easy to replicate, and provides all the information you need in the displays in the project box.

    I love how well written your blog post is, with detailed explanation of the circuit and nicely laid out results. This is great that your DC load project was put to good use here too. I am surprised at the results, one would have thought the E*** and D**** ought to have

    been much longer lasting compared to the Panasonic given the difference in cost, but it shows

    how we should never assume.

    Anyway I have to say again, thanks for sharing your work on this, and the very clever circuit.

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    jw0752 over 10 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Hi Shabaz,

    Thanks for your support. I was hoping you would get a kick out of it.

    John

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    michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hello John,

     

    This confirms my experience - Duracels give the best performance but supermarket cheapies give the most energy per £.

     

    Here's a challenge for you - most decent battery powered devices use a switching supply so they draw constant power not constant current - can you arrange an enhancement to your load so you can increase the current as the voltage drops so you draw constant power from the battery.

     

    (BTW - I always design battery driven power supplies to work down to below 0.8V per cell - that way I get the last reasonable scrap of power out of them and customers get the best possible battery life.)

     

    MK

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    Jan Cumps over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Michael Kellett wrote:

     

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    (BTW - I always design battery driven power supplies to work down to below 0.8V per cell - that way I get the last reasonable scrap of power out of them and customers get the best possible battery life.)

     

    MK

     

    There's a big discussion going on on the eevblog about how low you should go when designing your device. At what point does it becomes pointless to get any lower; Is there any energy worth digging for below a certain point?

    If you can filter out the noise, there is some very good information to harvest for the EE in that very long forum thread.

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    michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    There is so much noise in that thread that I couldn't be bothered to look at very much of it !

     

    I have done my own testing (targeted at the applications I'm working on) using pairs of AA batteries. It costs almost nothing to work down to 0.8V per cell because a switching boost converter is required for the product to work and I didn't find many decent ones that wouldn't work down to 1.6V in. At very high load currents ( > 1A) it may be worth going lower because the cell source resistance is responsible for a lot of voltage drop but AA alkalines are well out of their comfort zone at this sort of current anyway. I've got a load of data and when I get some time image I'll post a summary here. All my testing was constant power which massively exacerbates the speed of the tail off below 1V.

     

    MK

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    michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    There is so much noise in that thread that I couldn't be bothered to look at very much of it !

     

    I have done my own testing (targeted at the applications I'm working on) using pairs of AA batteries. It costs almost nothing to work down to 0.8V per cell because a switching boost converter is required for the product to work and I didn't find many decent ones that wouldn't work down to 1.6V in. At very high load currents ( > 1A) it may be worth going lower because the cell source resistance is responsible for a lot of voltage drop but AA alkalines are well out of their comfort zone at this sort of current anyway. I've got a load of data and when I get some time image I'll post a summary here. All my testing was constant power which massively exacerbates the speed of the tail off below 1V.

     

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