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  • Author Author: jw0752
  • Date Created: 10 Jul 2017 5:57 AM Date Created
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Thank You Wilfred Klatt

jw0752
jw0752
10 Jul 2017

As I was rummaging through some of my stuff this evening I came across this old General Electric Photo Electric Relay that was given to me 60 years ago.

 

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I wondered if it still worked so I hooked it up. It did not work so I began to trouble shoot it for the problem. As I worked on it I was remembering the man who gave it to me. His name was Wilfred Klatt and he worked in some capacity with the local power supply company. At that time it was called NSP or Northern States Power Co. I do not know what Mr. Klatt's job at the power company was but as a close friend of my parents he became the go to guy when they wanted to check out the safety of one of my inventions, prior to letting me plug them into the wall. Mr. Klatt or Willie as everyone called him never hesitated to try to help me out with my electrical questions. When he would find an interesting piece of equipment that was no longer in service and about to be thrown out he would save it for me. This photo electric relay was one of those things. Those of you who are currently inspiring or mentoring a young person, who has an interest in electronics, should take note. Willie Klatt made a contribution to my interest in electronics and as such I am still grateful to him all these years later. Perhaps the person you are inspiring will remember you 60 years from now too.

 

The unit is built around a tube 117P7GT which has two sections one of which is a half wave rectifier and the other a Beam Power section. The photo sensor is a 930 photo tube which has a metal screen that is susceptible to loosing electrons when struck by light and an electrode to collect those electrons. Just as is the case with our more modern sensors the more light that strikes the screen the lower the resistance in the tube. The 117P7GT drivess a SPDT Relay made by C. P. Clare & Co. of Chicago. The label says that the coil has 5000 Ohms and has 37000 turns. I don't remember seeing any recent relays where they tell you how many windings are involved in the coil. Here is a picture of the unit from above.

 

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By now I had a pretty good idea where the problem with the unit was. I could see that the dual 20 uF capacitor, the silver cylinder, had leaked over the years and was no longer a capacitor. I found a couple of 20 uF 250 volt axials and patched them into the circuit using the terminals of the old capacitor as a terminal strip. You can see how I have placed the new capacitors in the following picture.

 

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Check out the one and five watt carbon resistors as well as the old paper foil .02 uF capacitor. Incidentally this capacitor still tested out OK though quite a bit higher than its nominal rating. Here are a couple more pictures.

 

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The dial on the front of the unit is not for sensitivity as I initially thought but rather a delay on the release of the relay. The unit is quite sensitive to light as I had to go to near darkness to get it to open the relay and then it would close the relay with only the light of a small flashlight from a couple feet away. I can't think of a safe way to use this unit any longer but I will keep it around as it reminds me of Willie and the help he gave me when my electronics interest was new.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +6
    Hi John, It was very interesting reading about this! Great repair too. Thanks to Wilfred Klatt and yourself, many people are inspired by your blog posts.
  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 8 years ago +5
    Thanks, John, that's fascinating. (And thank you Wilfred Klatt, without whom you might not be here blogging.) You immediately got me puzzling over the light sensor. I've always been aware of photomultipliers…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 8 years ago +5
    Very interesting. I hadn't really thought about sensing light back in the valve days. I was lucky enough to work with valves when I started, but they were being pushed aside rather quickly by semiconductors…
  • eye-zen
    eye-zen over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hi John

     

    Yes i know that jolt well - very well - hahaha - and the smell of hot

    tubes is pretty hard to beat too. In my younger days i owned and ran a

    recording studio as well as played music pro.. All my studio input chain

    was tube driven - mic pres, compressors, limiters, amplifiers, exciters

    ... and i used to use an old otari valve tape machine to master down

    to... Alas i was forced to retire form that due to health reasons and

    sold off most of the studio but have very fond memories of sitting in

    the darkened control room surrounded by ozone and good music...

     

    Cheers

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    jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to eye-zen

    Thanks Al,

     

    Great to hear about your experiences. Valves or Tubes as we called them will always be part of the foundation of electronics for those of us who had the privilege of getting a good jolt or two from that plate connection on the top of some of them.

     

    John

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    eye-zen over 8 years ago

    aahhhh - wonderful valves - i still use them everyday - whenever iturn my stereo amplifier on or decide to play my guitar... Yes i use valve amplifiers - for my stereo its one i homebuilt 30 yrs ago and it still runs a dream - uses 12ax7 and 12au7 valves in the preamp stage and 2 el34s in the final stage.

    As for guitar well im old school - i own a 1963 marshall valve plexi - Still the iconic rock and roll amplifier of all time ....

    And yes valve amplification does make a difference - it DOES seem warmer and more alive than semiconductor amplification - although i must be honest some of the newer microcontrolled amp simulators can get close and i expect on a blind listening test it would be extremely difficult to pick them... my 2c's worth to a great discussion. And yes i had a wilfred Klatt in my younger days - His name was Ken Saxon and he was a ham radio operator who built all his own gear - all valve stuff too - and he instiled in me an interest in electronics and valves that has remained with me for almost 50 yrs...

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    It must be similar for people that went from horsedrawn carriages to the early motor vehicles.

    They have advanced a lot in recent years, especially when you compare them with cars from the 30,40 or even 50's, but not as much as that leap in technology.

     

    Mark

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    jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to DAB

    Thanks DAB,

     

    I think that mcb1 had the best observation when he mentioned how in just our lifetimes the technological progress has been so great. From tubes to today's most advanced circuitry in just 70 years is really a very big leap.

     

    John

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