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  • Author Author: jw0752
  • Date Created: 4 May 2017 11:12 PM Date Created
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Unusual Way to Wire a small DC Motor

jw0752
jw0752
4 May 2017

Despite 60 years of playing with electronics this is the first time I have seen a DC motor wired in this fashion.  At first I did not expect it to work on DC current but to my surprise it took off and ran perfectly. Furthermore it did not matter if the polarity was forward or reversed. The motor continued to spin happily along. Just for the fun I also applied an AC current and once again the motor continued to whirl away. Here are some pictures of the motor wiring:

 

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Just to clarify how the motor is wired I also produced this small schematic:

 

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On first appearances I assumed the motor would start to turn and then stop when the small tantalum capacitor became charged. I did not initially understand why this did not happen. I am hoping some of my friends on the Forum with more experience and knowledge will confirm my speculation that the counter EMF in the motor actually discharges the capacitor allowing it to accept a second charge and continue to maintain the magnetic fields that spin the motor. I suspect that the low ESR of the Tantalum caps makes their charge and discharge rapid enough to facilitate this process. I do not know why the designer of the piece of equipment where this small cooling fan was used chose to use this particular circuit. It was something new to me and it caught my attention. Now I just want to understand it.

 

John

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 9 years ago +5
    One final observation. Using a Tantalum capacitor as I have done in these experiments does damage it and makes it unusable in a normal power application. To verify this I tested one of the 33 uF caps that…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 9 years ago +4
    SOLUTION FOUND! I took shabaz suggestion to try to set up the circuit using a different motor and other components. I was not able to get the motor to turn. I ran some tests on the original motor and found…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 9 years ago +4
    Tonight I will investigate whether the Tantalum capacitor has any characteristics related to temperature when it is hooked up in a circuit backward to normal polarity. I my previous post I was using the…
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  • dougw
    dougw over 9 years ago

    Strange....

    How is this for speculation:

    Maybe if you think of the commutating motor as an inductor that is flipping back and forth between its terminals....initially current flows through the inductor to charge a capacitor.

    Wen it rotates it commutates which reverses the connection, but the current does not want to stop flowing through the inductor.

    This causes the side of the inductor that was receiving current to want more current and thus it goes low, discharging the capacitor that it is newly connected to.

    The exit side goes high to keep the current flowing, which charges the other capacitor - which could boost the high side voltage beyond the rail to start the next cycle.

    Maybe this is a way to limit motor current or motor speed with higher efficiency than using a resistor?

    It also seems to ensure the motor always turns in the same direction, regardless of voltage polarity, even AC, which is important for a fan.

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    dougw over 9 years ago

    Strange....

    How is this for speculation:

    Maybe if you think of the commutating motor as an inductor that is flipping back and forth between its terminals....initially current flows through the inductor to charge a capacitor.

    Wen it rotates it commutates which reverses the connection, but the current does not want to stop flowing through the inductor.

    This causes the side of the inductor that was receiving current to want more current and thus it goes low, discharging the capacitor that it is newly connected to.

    The exit side goes high to keep the current flowing, which charges the other capacitor - which could boost the high side voltage beyond the rail to start the next cycle.

    Maybe this is a way to limit motor current or motor speed with higher efficiency than using a resistor?

    It also seems to ensure the motor always turns in the same direction, regardless of voltage polarity, even AC, which is important for a fan.

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