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Michael Kellett's Blog Comparing noise from a linear PSU and an isolating USB adapter PSU
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  • Date Created: 6 Nov 2024 11:38 AM Date Created
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Comparing noise from a linear PSU and an isolating USB adapter PSU

michaelkellett
michaelkellett
6 Nov 2024

Recently I blogged about a mains powered isolated dual low noise power supply I had built.

 scottiebabe suggested that for some purposes it would be easier and cheaper to use a USB isolator.

These can be bought quite cheaply from Amazon and very cheaply from Aliexpress so I bought an Amazon version:

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I made it a little load adapter (100R approx 50mA).

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And I measured then noise, first as delivered and then with a low ESR 22uF 25V polymer electrolytic shunt capacitor.

No additional capacitor

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22uF low ESR shunt capacitor.

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And the original linear mains powered supply:

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Just as you would expect the little switching supply in the USB adapter produces a lot of HF noise.

Even with the extra capacitor the RMS noise is 20x worse and at an inconvenient 80kHz . The broad bandwidth of the noise will not be welcome in measuring systems. The biggest spectral peak is at -65dBV (at 80kHz) compared with -95dB (at 100Hz) for the linear mains driven supply.

To get a dual supply you would need to use two USB isolators which would add noise and possible LF beating effects.

The little USB isolators look quite handy for several purposes but wont win prizes a low noise isolated power supplies.

I shall try one with ARM JTAG debugging dongles because these often cause nasty earth loop problems when you need to connect a scope and the debugger to the same test thing.

MK

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 10 months ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Makes sense, I came round to that thinking eventually too after that project! I wasn't sure what size standard was most common, I purchased a few EF 12.6 and EF 16 cores+bobbins, but still to try them.

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    michaelkellett 10 months ago in reply to shabaz

    Your board is a good deal quieter than the commercially available little blocks.

    I've taken to using RM cores for custom transformers when I can because they are much easier to wind (can use my winding machine).

    MK

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    shabaz 10 months ago

    I got around to a few measurements of the DC-DC converter in this blog:  Building a Low-Cost Low-Noise Negative- or Positive-Rail Power Supply   a couple of months back.

    I achieved ballpark 160 uV (I made an RMS measurement so not ideal). Anything past 10 MHz or so is externally coupled noise, not part of the circuit under test.

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    I attached the output using semi-rigid coax to a spectrum analyzer too (the measurement is in dBm and not a like-for-like comparison without some maths), and with very small RBW, just to confirm that there's indeed nothing in the spectrum there:

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    From the spectrum visible in the 'scope screenshot, a better LDO would make a significant difference for that project. I used a TLV7401 LDO because it was low-cost. 

    Hopefully one day I'll try a different LDO with it. But it is not fun winding transformers.

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    DAB 10 months ago

    Very interesting.

    I have not used one of these devices, but you clearly need to look carefully at the output.

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  • dougw
    dougw 10 months ago

    Interesting way to add a negative rail.

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