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Observations on point accumulation by the top 60 Element 14 members

Instructorman
Instructorman
7 Nov 2016

Observations on point accumulation by the top 60 members in Element 14

Back in October of 2015 Element 14 announced its first Hertz level member, who, at the time, was mcb1.  The Hertz level starts at 100,000 points, which in the Element14 community is really a lot of points.  Accumulating that many points is no easy feat, as I will illustrate in this blog.

On the day I read the announcement, just over a year ago, I checked my point accumulation and found I had 7051 points, placing me 61st in line to the throne.  I wondered about how the community in general was doing in terms of point accumulation because point accumulation can be a good proxy indication of member participation.

 

Point accumulation is not 100% correlated with member participation.  A strong case supporting this assertion can be found in the very prolific and highly participatory benheck  who is not among the top 60 members ranked in the chart below. From April 2016 to October 2016 Ben slipped from 64th to 81st position. Clearly, this does not mean Ben has been participating less over the last year, it means that he has been concentrating on making valuable contributions through The Ben Heck Show.  I think it is quite possible that Ben's contribution to the community through The Ben Heck Show has inspired many members to increase their participation, helping them move up the ranking scale.

 

Nevertheless, observing point accumulation should provide the temperature of member activity and plotting member activity over time should provide insight into the climate of the community.  With this hypothesis in mind I started a spreadsheet to record the point accumulation of the top 60 members in the community longitudinally, or, over time.  I could have selected the first 100, or the top 50, but because I was sitting just on the other side of 60 I arbitrarily decided to track the top 60 members.  I have maintained the spreadsheet for the last year and would like to share the chart below with the community because I believe other members and element14 administrators might find it interesting.

 

The process I used to gather data for the spreadsheet is pretty straightforward, if perhaps a little cumbersome.  It went like this:

  1. Log into my E14 account
  2. Select Reputation and Points from the drop down menu next to my name.
  3. Select Ranking from the Activities list on the left side of the screen. Doing this brings up a screen that shows your point accumulation and rank in the middle of a field, with the 5 members ranked above you and the 5 members ranked  below you arranged in a column.
  4. Record point accumulation and rank for everyone shown on the screen in the spreadsheet.
  5. Select the member at the top of the screen.
  6. From the More drop down menu, select Reputation
  7. From the Activity list, select Ranking.  This will produce a screen of ranking information with the selected member placed in the middle of the field. Repeat from step 4 until the rank of the member at the top of the list equals one.

 

For reference here is a link to the point accumulation rules and the levels currently established by element14.

 

The chart below illustrates the progress in point accumulation for the top 60 members of the element 14 community from October 27, 2015 to October 27, 2016.

The vertical axis represents the number of points accumulated, obtained via the method described above.  The horizontal axis represents member ranking from 1 to 60,  The third axis, the depth axis, contains a series of snapshots taken through the year, each one labelled with the date the snapshot was taken.

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Several observations can be made from this chart.

 

First, the vertical axis is pretty much asymptotic around the top point accumulator. There isn't enough data on the horizontal axis to confirm this, but it looks like the horizontal axis is pretty much asymptotic to member rank as the rank number increases above 50 or so. I explored a bit well beyond the 60th ranked member to see what the chart would look like out there.  Now I couldn't determine exactly how many members there are in the Element14 community because odd things happen when member rank numbers get into 5 and 6 digit territory.  For example, I know of three members that have less than 100 points accumulated.  These members have ranking numbers ranging from around 36,000th to around 228,000th.  So there are probably at least 228,000 members in the database. However, the ranking system breaks down at high rank numbers because multiple members have the same rank position if they have the same low point accumulation number. For example, at least 6 members share rank position 31,851.

 

From examination of the data set gathered over a year, I believe I see a very large number of inactive, or barely active members, and a small clutch of moderately to highly active members, likely under 200 in total. I may be wrong.  The data set I gathered is incomplete, so I am making inferences and my conclusions are certainly open to debate. The chart does not show this well, but the raw data shows that some members shoot up through the ranks over a relatively short period of time, then stop advancing.  Others have steady point accumulation over time, using various participation strategies, advancing up the rank at various paces.  None of the members on the chart have activity levels as frenetic as the levels achieved by the top three members.

 

As can be seen from the chart, the top three members are very active.  The number 1 position has advanced by 44,598 points in the one year time span displayed in the chart.  Ownership of the top member position, by the way, has changed hands several times among the top three.

 

Here is a question:  If Element14, as a community, has a desire to increase awareness and participation in electronics/computing as a hobby or as a career, should more be done to encourage participation among the many thousands of inactive or barely active members?  Is this a topic of interest to the membership?

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  • DAB
    DAB over 9 years ago +5
    The chart has been very consistent ever since I joined back in 2011. You have a few people who consistently participate, others who chime in once in a while and a whole bunch of people who rarely if ever…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 9 years ago +4
    Instructorman Very interesting observations. Victor used to do some other analysing based on login frequency. He reached a similar conclusion about numbers of very active members. Many at the top of the…
  • fvan
    fvan over 9 years ago +4
    I remember collecting data in November last year. At the time, I collected the "last login" date of about 360.000 members. The result was that only about 50.000 members had logged in in the 6 months prior…
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  • fvan
    fvan over 9 years ago

    I remember collecting data in November last year. At the time, I collected the "last login" date of about 360.000 members. The result was that only about 50.000 members had logged in in the 6 months prior to my data collection. Perhaps I should try running the exercise again, see how these numbers have changed.

     

    While I agree that points do not necessarily reflect on the quality of contributions, and that members can disappear for a few months between posts, it does annoy me when statements like the one below are made:

     

    "... collaborate, share ideas and converse with over 440.000 engineers and innovators from all over the world ..."

     

    There may well be 440k accounts on the platform, but the number of active users is just a fraction. 440k is impressive, and keeps sponsors etc ... happy, but it's a lie, isn't it?

     

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    fvan over 9 years ago

    I remember collecting data in November last year. At the time, I collected the "last login" date of about 360.000 members. The result was that only about 50.000 members had logged in in the 6 months prior to my data collection. Perhaps I should try running the exercise again, see how these numbers have changed.

     

    While I agree that points do not necessarily reflect on the quality of contributions, and that members can disappear for a few months between posts, it does annoy me when statements like the one below are made:

     

    "... collaborate, share ideas and converse with over 440.000 engineers and innovators from all over the world ..."

     

    There may well be 440k accounts on the platform, but the number of active users is just a fraction. 440k is impressive, and keeps sponsors etc ... happy, but it's a lie, isn't it?

     

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    Instructorman over 9 years ago in reply to fvan

    Frederick,

     

    I think you are correct.  Although claiming there are 440k accounts may not be a lie, suggesting there is an audience of 440k is disingenuous.

    If I was a vendor thinking of sponsoring content on E14, I'd want to know the composition of the audience and the participation levels of each segment.

    I would want to know if my investment would provide me access to the right target audience that would generate the most return on my investment.

     

    What I see from the simple and incomplete research I presented in the blog post is a core group of, I don't know - 200 or 300 devoted participants, then tens of thousands of non-participants, and finally a peripheral group of participants that just don't quite see the value in engaging more than occasionally.  It is this last group that I think might be reachable.

     

    Mark A

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    element14Dave over 9 years ago in reply to fvan

    Hello fvan and Instructorman ,

     

    I just wanted to share that we are transparent with our suppliers on the participation levels and membership. Every supplier is different in terms of how they what data they place value on. For instance, a supplier that is considering participating in a RoadTest program could be interested in the overall membership, but not as much as how many visits, applications, and overall participation that specific RoadTest would get. Another supplier may just be concerned with the quality of the content the program generated (RoadTest Review) regardless of the number of visits, applicats ect. The community is measured by metrics like overall registration, participation, vists etc... but we value the quality of the content and conversation that is produced most of all. At the end of the day we are committed to creating a place where members can collaborate, share ideas and converse...

     

    I do think that we can do a better job of converting those Level 1- Level 3 members to being more active, if they choose to be. I would love to hear any ideas on how we can create a better place for  the three members Instructorman  had mentioned earlier, and people like them. We have evolved as a community over the last 7 years, and we are not close to being a finished product yet. So please post your thoughts and feedback here, or send to me directly if you have any ideas. I'd like to think we have grown as a community over this time  because we have a great group of members who help us drive the community forward, so let's keep it going!

     

    Thanks for all of the thoughts and Instructorman  for the post,

    Dave

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    Instructorman over 9 years ago in reply to element14Dave

    Thanks Dave for the open discussion of how sponsors view Road Test and for your invitation to supply ideas for increased participation.

     

    I'll reach out to the three members I mentioned to see if I can determine what they think would incentivize increased participation from their points of view.

    I'll let you know what I hear.

     

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    element14Dave over 9 years ago in reply to Instructorman

    That would be great. Thanks Instructorman

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