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Using Triacs with very small inductive loads.

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Former Member over 10 years ago

Hi,

   I'd like to use a triac to turn on a very small (9v, 80ma)  transformer. (I want to use a battery to turn it on using a triac opticoupler, then temporarily latch the triac to itself using digital logic. I don't want a transformer on-line all of the time.)  I've had problems in the past with triacs not turning off. Is there an easy solution? At the time, I tried snubbers, but admit I do not understand them or know what values to use.

 

  Any help or pointers would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks.

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    0 mcb1 over 10 years ago

    I have had issues with inductive loads of transformers before.

    These were large 230:6 v for stage/effect lights.

    The normal method is to apply 230/110 through a resistor and the triac opto to the gate of the triac, which caused issues.

     

    The solution I used, was to take current from the gate through the triac opto and a series resistor plus two diodes back to back, to the load.

    ie instead of supplying current into the gate, current was pulled from it.

     

     

    Mark

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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to mcb1

    MCB, thanks for your response. (Ah for the pleasures of a schematic!).Please pardon that I'm not used to writing or speaking about circuits so I may not get all of the references. I do not understand "diodes back to back".  Beyond that you are sending the signal to the load terminal of the triac, I'd assume you connect the ac neutral to the gate..?  And do I understand that you did not need a snubber circuit. either to allow correct switching or to protect the triac against shutdown spikes?

     

    Harvey

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    0 mcb1 over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    (Ah for the pleasures of a schematic!)

    At that time of the morning, drawing ccts wasn't on my todo list.

     

    This is NOT the way to drive it.

    image

     

    This was the way we drove our 'Pinspots'

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    Mark

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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Hi,

     

       mcb1,

     

      Thank you. that is certainly clear enough. Of course, there are always a few more questions! Why did you go from a zero-cross to a random cross MOC30xx? And what does the back to back diode pair do - except to introduce a small voltage drop in both directions?

     

    Harvey

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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Hi,

     

       mcb1,

     

      Thank you. that is certainly clear enough. Of course, there are always a few more questions! Why did you go from a zero-cross to a random cross MOC30xx? And what does the back to back diode pair do - except to introduce a small voltage drop in both directions?

     

    Harvey

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    0 mcb1 over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Why did you go from a zero-cross to a random cross MOC30xx?

    I didn't, it was simply a circuit diagram.

    In our application we detected the zero volts and switched then, so a zero cross device wasn't necessary.

     

     

    The circuit was copied from a commercial device.

    I've never been brave enough to stick a scope on it, but it does result in a 0.5v drop which may help with the shutoff.

     

    I never did try to discover why it was designed in this manner.

    We needed to resolve the problem of partially on triacs cooking transformers, and this resolved it, and we just kept using it.

     

    Mark

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    0 Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Mcb1,

     

       More than "good enough". Many thanks.

     

    Cheers,

    Harvey

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