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Looking for RFID hardware and software insight

colporteur
colporteur over 4 years ago

I am looking at pursuing some security research into  RFID cards. I would like to be able to read and replicate lower freq and mid freq cards. My focus is more on the mid freq cards but the lower freq cards can provide some insight. I have watched a few youtube videos to get some idea of what is involved. I have found a myriad of hardware options and mostly Proxmark for software.

 

I'm looking for insight into hardware and software recommendation that support a working solutions?

I'm looking for insight into operating system that supports a working solutions?

I'm looking for insight into a working solutions using Raspberry Pi and Arduino?

I'm looking for insight from a person that has a working solutions and not heard about or seen about it. Getting it to work from bare metal ,to me provides experience. I'm looking to tap that experience. My goal is to get a working solution. I am willing to invest the time to get to that point but, I am trying to avoid the numerous dead ends I would follow if I did it on my own, to get it working. You could try this or you could try that if it fails, is not what I am looking for.

 

My immediate need is the working setup for the research project, not really the journey through the valley of learning to get there. What I need to learn will be done in the working solutions, at least I hope.

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 4 years ago in reply to colporteur +3
    There's a difference between RFID and NFC technologies despite the overlap. RFID usually is for "identification" purposes, mostly "dumb" memory that "bleeps" out their ID into a field (for lack of a more…
  • BigG
    BigG over 4 years ago in reply to colporteur +3
    Haha, yes unfortunately no one has written a bluffers guide to RFID/NFC. Still, a man of your talent will pick it up quick enough, especially with all the excellent commentary made by others so far. You…
  • colporteur
    colporteur over 4 years ago in reply to Gough Lui +2
    I'm thinking start small. I have some vendor RFID cards, I first would like to examine and then try to replicate. I anticipate failure more often than success, since I have no idea what the standard is…
  • colporteur
    colporteur over 4 years ago in reply to Fred27

    I have given some thought to throwing some coin a Proxmark 3 clone version. If I was invested in the RFID technology and not just on the fringe I would reconsider the knock off and maybe the real deal. I have had some difficultly finding a reliable source to have the software working. The hardware is one piece but ensuring the software functions under Ubuntu 20.04 is a concern. That is the reason for my cry in the wilderness looking for someone that has experience.

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  • colporteur
    colporteur over 4 years ago in reply to BigG

    Thanks. Lots of resources. I have been using the calculator to understand cost. I'm thinking of dipping into the grand children's college fund, to support my habit of purchasing stuff to just learn about it. I can't say I can answer the question "What are you going to do with it when you are done?" at the moment.

     

    I appreciate the confidence comment. Unfortunately I have spent a few sleepless nights asking myself the question, why did I start a project I knew nothing about. I am not a trail blazer. I do have a passion for exploring and learning.  I like before starting that I have some confidence it does work. It may take some effort but it does work.

     

    A Ubuntu 20.04 setup using Proxmark3 software and cloned hardware is my dream setup. Being able to perform the tasks on a Pi setup would be the next step. It will cost me a few hundred Canadian to realize if that is possible.

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  • colporteur
    colporteur over 4 years ago

    There has been a few suggestion to use a cell phone. I have a reluctance to even invest in that since the depth and breath of cell phone and it also depends where you are located. Canadian cell phone distributors don't have the products other countries have. That cell phone world concerns me because of the technology.

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  • javagoza
    javagoza over 4 years ago

    I am professionally dedicated to the development of card payment solutions through Point of Sale Systems (POS)

    Transport contactless card top-ups. Mainly with NXP Mifare and Mifare SAM cards and Hardware Security Modules (HSM).

    And also contactless EMV payments with card present for the LATAM and EMEA areas of the main brands Mastercard, VISA, AMEX ...

    If you need any advice on these issues I will try to help you. As for documentation, everything goes under NDA.

     

    These tools are interesting if you have an Android with NFC antenna

     

    NFC TagInfo by NXP,

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nxp.taginfolite&hl=en&gl=US

     

    EMV CTLS test cards for brand certifications

    AMEX

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.americanexpress.android.testemulator&hl=en_IE

     

    VISA

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.visa.app.cdet&hl=en_IE

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  • BigG
    BigG over 4 years ago in reply to colporteur

    Amazing what you can find on the net these days... with just a quick scratch... 2 interesting research papers were uncovered... can't vouch for what they have to say about cloning but in both cases the Proxmark system featured prominently.

     

    http://www.cs.ru.nl/~rverdult/A_Toolbox_for_RFID_Protocol_Analysis-EURASIP_RFID_2012.pdf

    https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/83115201.pdf

    http://norma.ncirl.ie/4524/1/andrzejmackiewicz.pdf

     

    Now if you head down the Arduino/Raspberry Pi DIY route you'll probably have to develop your own software (and that takes time) as I've not come across anything before... but then again that's more likely because I never looked (I'm always surprised as 9 times out of 10 if I look for something very specific I tend to find that someone has already done it and published some library or other).

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 4 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    These are the artifacts I use:

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    An Ehuoyan reader that came with an RFID card. These are of the "not-smart" kind. The card has an ID and the reader can read RFIDs.

    Simple, easy, good. The reader acts as a USB keyboard.

     

    A µFR reader/writer came with 5 key fobs. The device is smart. The key fobs are - like the Ehuoyan card, tags with an ID.

    I use this device a lot, because it supports many standards, from simple ID reading to talking to MiFare and ISO14443 cards. (and Digital Logic has amazing support).

     

    The 3 Infineon cards in the left bottom corner are ISO14443 cards that run an application. You can open a session and interact with them. They come with a crypto currency example (with full source code !!)

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  • colporteur
    colporteur over 4 years ago in reply to BigG

    My cup runneth over with your generosity BigG .

     

    I will be forced to put aside my fiction read of the current Gray Man novel and look at the non-fiction reading resources you have provided.

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  • colporteur
    colporteur over 4 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    The part picture contents you displayed was it an online purchase? Secondly, I am not an MS Window user. What environment have you got this working in?

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 4 years ago in reply to colporteur

    The Ehuoyan is a USB keyboard. That works with almost anything.

    The Digital Logic µFR, I have used with Windows, Linux ARM (Pi) and Linux x64

     

    The Infineon cards were an element14 road test. All the rest is purchased online.

    Ehuoyan from Aliexpress, µFR from Digital Logic.

     

    I also use an Android phone with nfc - development enabled - with Android Studio as development/debug envionment:

    image

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