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Former Member over 12 years ago

Arrived in the post today..

 

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I also got a prototype board to make getting at the GPIO pins a bit easier

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Physically it's a bit bigger than the BBB

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In the box you get a usb to minature barrel connector power lead and a combined sata + power lead that's only really suitable for 2.5" drives due to the lack of 12v

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It comes with a version of Android pre-installed on it's 4G nand flash that allows you to have something up and running a few minutes after opening the box.

 

You can't really do a lot with the Android image, so I quickly replaced it with one of the debian images from cubieboard.org

 

Not sure if it's just down to the A20 being fairly new and the drivers not having caught up yet or what, but the display resolution seems to be fixed at 1280x720 which my 20" 1600x1200 monitor really doesn't seem to like. So initial start up was somewhat frustrating. The cubieboard logo flashes on the screen for a second or two and then the screen blanks.  Connecting it to a 1920x1080 gives better results, but seems to have a large overscan by default in linux text modes.

 

As you'll see in the photos, I've soldered on some relatively heavy power leads, partly due to some concern that the rather flimsy power lead was causing the display problems due to low-ish voltage and partly to make it easier to do some current measurements.

 

With nothing connected, current peaks at around 360mA during boot and then settles to ~200mA when idle. This is reasonably impressive considering it's running the performance cpu governor and so isn't benefiting from power savings in the way the BBB does.

 

Connecting ethernet raises the idle current to ~250mA

 

Adding a CPU intensive task adds approx 100mA per core, peaking at around 460mA

 

With a 500Gb 2.5" drive plugged in and active it's possible to get up to about 1A if you're stressing everything simultaneously.

 

 

First impressions are that that it's a decent board. A better, or at least more common, power connector would have been appreciated as it initially left me no option but to connect to a PC's usb port that likely wasn't capable of supplying the 5v @ 2A that's silkscreened on the board.

 

The debian image I'm using feels a little sluggish, but that's fairly normal. I'll reserve further judgement until I get something installed with a bit less baggage.

 

One slightly disappointing piece is that there's no way to supply power apart from the barrel connector, or soldering on a connector to some unpopulated pads directly below it.  Other boards (RPi, BBB) can have power supplied via their GPIO connectors, but it doesn't seem so simple here.

 

Price wise, I was about 80 GBP delivered. So we're obviously not in RPi / BBB territory, but it does sit in a reasonable place between the BBB and Sabre-Lite.  You get dual-core, 1GB ram and SATA on top of the BBB, while being 2 cores, gigabit network and PCIe short on the Sabre-Lite. The Sabre-Lite arriving at around 155 GBP makes the Cubieboard an interesting compromise.  As the A20 uses an A7 series core which is feature compatible with A15, it also gives an easy path to future upgrades.

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine +1
    Yes, I think the A10/A20 with sata can be interesting. It seems the CB3 / Cubietruck is also going to have gigabit network. An Olimex LIME style board with gigabit network at a lower price point would…
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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem +1
    yes, the prototyping board is all 0.1" apart from the 2mm headers for the cubie itself. I'd imagine it'll be ok as a desktop, only seems to be one A20 desktop image so far, I'll maybe give it a try, but…
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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to shabaz +1
    shabaz wrote: In that case, you will need some sort of hardware compression device, because a single SD composite signal will consume most of the USB 2.0 bandwidth, Relatively simple calculation 720x576…
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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago

    That looks very appealing.  As you say, it's not in Pi price territory, but currently no other SATA-endowed board is either.  Olimex are going to kick off that awesome trend with their LIME board, but that's for another day.

     

    More and more boards are featuring onboard flash storage nowadays, so it might be useful to measure its low-level performance.  Unlike the card-dependent performance of SD and micro-SD drives and highly variable off-board storage, this would be a nicely fixed property of the board and not often affected by kernel upgrades.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Yes, I think the A10/A20 with sata can be interesting. It seems the CB3 / Cubietruck is also going to have gigabit network.

     

    An Olimex LIME style board with gigabit network at a lower price point would certainly be interesting. Not sure the A10 does gigabit, but I'm sure there would be a market for an A20 LIME too.

     

    I suppose it's also worth pointing out a potential downside for networking on the allwinner chips now.  Both the A10 & A20 use the same device, seemingly it may be mostly based on the Davicom DM9000. There seems to be some issues with the driver though. http://linux-sunxi.org/EMAC

    There does seem to be some work going on in this area http://lwn.net/Articles/543217/ but as ever lack of documentation seems to be at least part of the issue.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Yes, I think the A10/A20 with sata can be interesting. It seems the CB3 / Cubietruck is also going to have gigabit network.

     

    An Olimex LIME style board with gigabit network at a lower price point would certainly be interesting. Not sure the A10 does gigabit, but I'm sure there would be a market for an A20 LIME too.

     

    I suppose it's also worth pointing out a potential downside for networking on the allwinner chips now.  Both the A10 & A20 use the same device, seemingly it may be mostly based on the Davicom DM9000. There seems to be some issues with the driver though. http://linux-sunxi.org/EMAC

    There does seem to be some work going on in this area http://lwn.net/Articles/543217/ but as ever lack of documentation seems to be at least part of the issue.

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    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    selsinork wrote:

     

    I suppose it's also worth pointing out a potential downside for networking on the allwinner chips now.  Both the A10 & A20 use the same device, seemingly it may be mostly based on the Davicom DM9000. There seems to be some issues with the driver though. http://linux-sunxi.org/EMAC

    There does seem to be some work going on in this area http://lwn.net/Articles/543217/ but as ever lack of documentation seems to be at least part of the issue.

    Well spotted!  We'll have to keep an eye open for reports about that.

     

    With A10/A20, i.MX6 and Pi (because of USB) all having throughput issues in the area of networking, perhaps we should start measuring Ethernet throughput on our boards as well.  Nothing is perfect, and despite AM3359 having native on-SoC MAC, we won't really know how good the BBB implementation is until we measure it.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    With A10/A20, i.MX6 and Pi (because of USB) all having throughput issues in the area of networking, perhaps we should start measuring Ethernet throughput on our boards as well.

    Ok, so in the simplistic test scenarios.. I just pulled a 600MB file from another machine with wget:

     

    1970-01-01 03:38:05 (9.99 MB/s) - `deleteme.iso' saved [623075328/623075328]

     

    seems ok given it's only a 100Mb network connection.  testing the other direction will have to wait, this debian rootfs is quite minimal so I'll have to install some stuff before I can do much more.

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    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    New thread -- "SBC Network Throughput". image

     

    Hopefully there will be less variability by using the same well reputed test utility at both ends.

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