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Wanted: sub-$10 *networked* boards

morgaine
morgaine over 11 years ago

The early part of this decade witnessed the rise of a new commercial phenomenon, the bringing to market of many sub-$10 evaluation, prototyping and hobbyist boards.  Although the terminology and market positioning has varied depending on the company, they're really all the same thing --- boards for enthusiasts, which serve the purposes of industrial evaluation equally well and also play a valuable company PR and device promotion role.  It's all one category really, and it's very sensible to roll these diverse purposes into one because of economies of scale, inventory reduction, and audience synergy.

 

Probably the greatest mindshare in this $10 (ballpark) area has been obtained by three companies so far:

 

  • Freescale with its Freedom boards FRDM-KL25Z and FRDM-KL46Z, featuring low-power Cortex-M0+.
  • ST with its STM32Fx-Discovery range, often given away free, featuring high performance Cortex-M4.
  • TI with its LaunchPad ranges, covering MSP430 (low power), C2000 (DSP), and Tiva/Hercules (ARM).

 

These devices are all, to summarize the $10 scene in a word, awesome. image  And that's probably understating it.

 

However, there is something missing from this excellent picture.  It's a very important thing, and it's very bad that it is missing:  networking.  This new millennium was built on a solid foundation of networking created in the latter part of the preceding one.  IP networking has so permeated our civilization today that its absence is as inconceivable as life without the telephone would have been in the preceding decades.  And yet despite this, the above three pillars of awesomeness live on isolated islands of non-communication.

 

Yes I know, it's quite easy to integrate them into an IP network, either through USB-based NICs or wifi adapters or using a small I2C-connected Ethernet or wifi board, or even Bluetooth or NFC, or even using SLIP over RS232 from days gone by.  But that's not the point.  The point is that they are not inherently connected, and so they have to be brought in from the cold.  This is more regrettable than it appears at first glance for several reasons.  It's a barrier to instant networking, it costs a lot more (there's a dollar penalty owing to unnecessary overheads), networking is not directly supported in the otherwise-awesome board's software, the add-ons dilute the manufacturer's own device promotion, and to be blunt, it's just annoying and not forward-looking.

 

I would recommend to manufacturers in this $10 (ballpark) space that 2014 be their year for networking everything in sight.  There's even a marketing angle for it --- the Internet of Things has acquired quite a lot of meme-space recently, and it's always a better idea to ride a wave rather than to stand in its way.  Sub-$10 networked boards would be extraordinarily synergistic to the IoT concept --- it shouldn't surprise anyone if hundreds of millions of a single board are sold, because $10 falls wells under the price-worry radar in the West at least.  I suspect the main limitation on sales would be effectiveness of promotion/advertising producing awareness, and not the price.

 

Come on Freescale, ST and TI (strictly in alphabetical order), add networking into this extremely cost-constrained niche, even if it's only 10Mbps.  You can do it.  And the rest of you manufacturers, don't worry about the incumbents ruling the roost.  Word of mouth and reblogging is the primary form of advertising today (I'm even doing it right here), and if you provide the goods, we'll spread the interest.

 

Morgaine.

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    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to johnbeetem +1
    John Beetem wrote: Morgaine Dinova wrote: Yes you do! Oh no, I don't Touche'! < Rest of infinite-length cultural exchange elided through Run-Length Encoding. > There are two kinds of…
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    Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine +1
    Morgaine Dinova wrote: Your TV and TV usage would benefit enormously from full-capability IP networking. Actually it would be highly detrimental. As it would require owning a TV to begin with …
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    Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine +1
    Morgaine Dinova wrote: There are in the universe these beings called "engineers", and they're not all stupid. In fact, many of them can focus on issues very clearly and ensure that certain requirements…
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    Former Member over 11 years ago

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

    networking is not directly supported in the otherwise-awesome board's software,

    That's probably the single biggest barrier.  While there are various network stacks available for various of these class of devices, they all tend to have one problem or another. Single vendor and/or not well integrated forcing you to rethink your software to live with them are not particularly helpful. Usefully supporting Linux (or even getting it to run) on sub $10 hardware is going to be challenging, and as we've seen with the Pi/BBB if you do then you'll just have a hoard of XBMC junkies complaining it doesn't have a decent GPU image

    Some middle ground is needed here, something with enough of a bsdsockets api to be both useful and familiar territory for the application developers would be a good start.

     

    At least STM32* and Kinetis devices that have onboard ethernet mac are available, but once you add a phy and magnetics I suspect you may have blown the $10 budget. High volume could help with that, but I wonder if the market is ready for something like this. Pre-defined IoT devices that just work, out of the box could probably do ok - the lesson to be learned from the RPi/BBB being that if you need the user to do something simple like loading the software onto a SDCard, then you're probably going to fail.

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    Former Member over 11 years ago

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

    networking is not directly supported in the otherwise-awesome board's software,

    That's probably the single biggest barrier.  While there are various network stacks available for various of these class of devices, they all tend to have one problem or another. Single vendor and/or not well integrated forcing you to rethink your software to live with them are not particularly helpful. Usefully supporting Linux (or even getting it to run) on sub $10 hardware is going to be challenging, and as we've seen with the Pi/BBB if you do then you'll just have a hoard of XBMC junkies complaining it doesn't have a decent GPU image

    Some middle ground is needed here, something with enough of a bsdsockets api to be both useful and familiar territory for the application developers would be a good start.

     

    At least STM32* and Kinetis devices that have onboard ethernet mac are available, but once you add a phy and magnetics I suspect you may have blown the $10 budget. High volume could help with that, but I wonder if the market is ready for something like this. Pre-defined IoT devices that just work, out of the box could probably do ok - the lesson to be learned from the RPi/BBB being that if you need the user to do something simple like loading the software onto a SDCard, then you're probably going to fail.

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    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Note that I very specifically did not mention application processors nor Linux.  I didn't even imply it, since all three "awesome" families use microntroller SoCs,  I am a total fan of the Unix model of computing, but it doesn't have to be reached in one step, and baby steps can make the impossible seem more possible ... image

     

    The first step is sub-$10 networked microcontroller boards.  We're extremely close to that already, because there are a few microcontroller SoCs that provide not only on-chip Ethernet MAC but also on-chip PHY.  There isn't really a cost barrier either --- copper coils and ferrite don't add an intrinsic quantum leap in BOM cost, it's mostly marketing.

     

    Once we're there with microcontrollers, application processors have a launching pad.  It won't take long. image

     

    Morgaine.

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    Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    Note that I very specifically did not mention application processors nor Linux.

    Oh yeah, I fully understand that's not what you're looking for. I just think it's crazy that the application processor boards are, currently, cheaper than the microcontroller versions that have ethernet. While that persists there's no market. Like the Pi, all it takes is one to make the jump to a $10 board with ethernet and we'll soon see more.

     

    Of course getting to $10 is going to really upset the people who produce devices like the Lantronix XPort since you'll be significantly cheaper for essentially the same thing.

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    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    selsinork wrote:

     

    I just think it's crazy that the application processor boards are, currently, cheaper than the microcontroller versions that have ethernet.

    Yup.  Nuts, huh? image

     

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