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Boycott Element14 posts - for the rest of September

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Element14 created problems for the community of forum users of

news.cadsoft.de which they don't appear to have the desire to fix so I

suggest a boycott until

the end of September, or longer if need be, for any assistance requests

logged from there.

 

That would leave Cadsoft staff  and Element14 volunteers to answer all

queries from the many beginners that that site is attracting.

 

Currently most of the knowledge and assistance is coming from the community

that is newsgroup centric or those using  EagleCentral

(http://www.eaglecentral.ca/forums/).  which is in a fit enough state and

works well exchanging messages and files.with the newsgroup. There is one

issue with attributing the correct writers name to a post but those posts

have come from Element14 (Oh!dear, enough said).

 

Cadsoft/Element14 benefits immensely (real money) from all the time and

experience that forum members donate and as much as I like providing the

assistance, I feel nothing will change until they are hit in the pocket or

gain bad press. They have had ample notice.

 

As I see it there are two issues needing correction

(1) Attachments that work both directions

(2) Filter out the emoticon ASCII (known as spam in some circles) prior to

sending to the NNTP

 

 

The methods to use to spot which messages to boycott is varied.

Much of the time  I get suspicious due to the nature of the question.

For news readers, I set  rules that colour  the message headers to indicate

where they have came from. (abilities vary with readers)

EagleCentral messages standout as they most often included the

www.eaglecentral signature.

Browsing at EagleCentral you can spot  the sender as 'Element14 User' for

those Element14 users that did not provide a contact email. For those that

did they have a name  so these are hard to determine.

 

...and its easy. All you have to do is 'nothing' for a month and something

good could come out of it.

 

Regards

Warren

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Warren Brayshaw schrieb:

     

    Element14 created problems for the community of forum users of

    news.cadsoft.de which they don't appear to have the desire to fix so I

    suggest a boycott until

    the end of September, or longer if need be, for any assistance requests

    logged from there.

     

    Well, while the posts from there are increasingly annoying, I don't

    think a boycott is the right reaction.

     

    That would leave Cadsoft staff  and Element14 volunteers to answer all

    queries from the many beginners that that site is attracting.

     

    I assume that the obvious correlation between dumb newbie questions and

    element-14 posters is a result of the new cadsoft website, which shows

    the element-14 forums as the first support address:

    <http://www.cadsoft.de/forums/>

     

    [IMHO, the order should better be 1. newsgroups, 2. eaglecentral.ca, 3.

    element-14 (may be omitted).]

     

    As I see it there are two issues needing correction

    (1) Attachments that work both directions

    (2) Filter out the emoticon ASCII (known as spam in some circles) prior to

    sending to the NNTP

     

    Lately, I contacted CadSoft/Farnell on this issue - let's see if

    something happens.

     

    The methods to use to spot which messages to boycott is varied.

    Much of the time  I get suspicious due to the nature of the question.

    For news readers, I set  rules that colour  the message headers to indicate

    where they have came from. (abilities vary with readers)

    EagleCentral messages standout as they most often included the

    www.eaglecentral signature.

    Browsing at EagleCentral you can spot  the sender as 'Element14 User' for

    those Element14 users that did not provide a contact email. For those that

    did they have a name  so these are hard to determine.

     

    For filtering element-14 posts, simply look for "premierfarnell" in the

    "Path" header - if you really want to.

    However, there also are "normal" questions and answers posted from

    there, so it's not a good idea to filter them all.

     

    ...and its easy. All you have to do is 'nothing' for a month and something

    good could come out of it.

     

    It's always your choice to answer - or not. I also do not reply to

    /every/ post I could have an answer for (or for which I'd need more

    details to be able to provide an answer).

     

    Tilmann

     

  • in reply to Former Member

    Tilmann Reh wrote:

     

    Well, while the posts from there are increasingly annoying, I don't

    think a boycott is the right reaction..................

     

    >............. Lately, I contacted CadSoft/Farnell on this issue - let's see

    if

    something happens..............

     

    Thanks for putting the effort into this doing that.

    I have done that previously for Element14 and new website issues. Nothing

    changed except that an attachment did get through from Element14 the other

    day. Yet to see another.

     

    ........I assume that the obvious correlation between dumb newbie

    questions

    and element-14 posters is a result of the new cadsoft website, which

    shows the element-14 forums as the first support address:

    <http://www.cadsoft.de/forums/>

     

    [IMHO, the order should better be 1. newsgroups, 2. eaglecentral.ca,

    3. element-14 (may be omitted).]

     

    The order is determined for commercial reasons.

     

    For all its ease and speed of use, a newsreader is not the tool for surfing

    the web looking for help. You get a newsreader once you decide to settle in

    with a forum.

     

    It's understandable for Farnell to modernise the Eagle brand, hence the new

    look website.(pity it's so slow)

    The Element14 knode is obviously  netting potential customers of a new

    generation.

    I suspect upper management may want the newsgroup disbanded as it is not

    generally percieved as a modern tool and denies them the ability to

    advertise in that space.

     

    However, there also are "normal" questions and answers posted from

    there, so it's not a good idea to filter them all.

     

    I disagree. Filtering them all is the only way to get the point across. It's

    the equivalent of broadcasting to all Element14 posters that they should

    now, instead, send email requests for assistance directly to Cadsoft  who

    would be very pleased to help them. Element14 would be fixed fairly quickly

    if that happened, I suspect.

     

    It's always your choice to answer - or not....................

    Agreed. I will find it hard not to assist when the requester has done their

    homework and requesting properly.

    There is plenty to entertain us coming in via the newsgroup and

    EagleCentral.

     

    Fingers crossed that the simple fixes are attended to.

     

    Warren

    --

    Viewed / responded via the newsgroup at

    news.cadsoft.de

     

     

     

  • in reply to Former Member

    Tilmann Reh wrote:

     

    Well, while the posts from there are increasingly annoying, I don't

    think a boycott is the right reaction..................

     

    >............. Lately, I contacted CadSoft/Farnell on this issue - let's see

    if

    something happens..............

     

    Thanks for putting the effort into this doing that.

    I have done that previously for Element14 and new website issues. Nothing

    changed except that an attachment did get through from Element14 the other

    day. Yet to see another.

     

    ........I assume that the obvious correlation between dumb newbie

    questions

    and element-14 posters is a result of the new cadsoft website, which

    shows the element-14 forums as the first support address:

    <http://www.cadsoft.de/forums/>

     

    [IMHO, the order should better be 1. newsgroups, 2. eaglecentral.ca,

    3. element-14 (may be omitted).]

     

    The order is determined for commercial reasons.

     

    For all its ease and speed of use, a newsreader is not the tool for surfing

    the web looking for help. You get a newsreader once you decide to settle in

    with a forum.

     

    It's understandable for Farnell to modernise the Eagle brand, hence the new

    look website.(pity it's so slow)

    The Element14 knode is obviously  netting potential customers of a new

    generation.

    I suspect upper management may want the newsgroup disbanded as it is not

    generally percieved as a modern tool and denies them the ability to

    advertise in that space.

     

    However, there also are "normal" questions and answers posted from

    there, so it's not a good idea to filter them all.

     

    I disagree. Filtering them all is the only way to get the point across. It's

    the equivalent of broadcasting to all Element14 posters that they should

    now, instead, send email requests for assistance directly to Cadsoft  who

    would be very pleased to help them. Element14 would be fixed fairly quickly

    if that happened, I suspect.

     

    It's always your choice to answer - or not....................

    Agreed. I will find it hard not to assist when the requester has done their

    homework and requesting properly.

    There is plenty to entertain us coming in via the newsgroup and

    EagleCentral.

     

    Fingers crossed that the simple fixes are attended to.

     

    Warren

    --

    Viewed / responded via the newsgroup at

    news.cadsoft.de

     

     

     

Reply
  • in reply to Former Member

    Tilmann Reh wrote:

     

    Well, while the posts from there are increasingly annoying, I don't

    think a boycott is the right reaction..................

     

    >............. Lately, I contacted CadSoft/Farnell on this issue - let's see

    if

    something happens..............

     

    Thanks for putting the effort into this doing that.

    I have done that previously for Element14 and new website issues. Nothing

    changed except that an attachment did get through from Element14 the other

    day. Yet to see another.

     

    ........I assume that the obvious correlation between dumb newbie

    questions

    and element-14 posters is a result of the new cadsoft website, which

    shows the element-14 forums as the first support address:

    <http://www.cadsoft.de/forums/>

     

    [IMHO, the order should better be 1. newsgroups, 2. eaglecentral.ca,

    3. element-14 (may be omitted).]

     

    The order is determined for commercial reasons.

     

    For all its ease and speed of use, a newsreader is not the tool for surfing

    the web looking for help. You get a newsreader once you decide to settle in

    with a forum.

     

    It's understandable for Farnell to modernise the Eagle brand, hence the new

    look website.(pity it's so slow)

    The Element14 knode is obviously  netting potential customers of a new

    generation.

    I suspect upper management may want the newsgroup disbanded as it is not

    generally percieved as a modern tool and denies them the ability to

    advertise in that space.

     

    However, there also are "normal" questions and answers posted from

    there, so it's not a good idea to filter them all.

     

    I disagree. Filtering them all is the only way to get the point across. It's

    the equivalent of broadcasting to all Element14 posters that they should

    now, instead, send email requests for assistance directly to Cadsoft  who

    would be very pleased to help them. Element14 would be fixed fairly quickly

    if that happened, I suspect.

     

    It's always your choice to answer - or not....................

    Agreed. I will find it hard not to assist when the requester has done their

    homework and requesting properly.

    There is plenty to entertain us coming in via the newsgroup and

    EagleCentral.

     

    Fingers crossed that the simple fixes are attended to.

     

    Warren

    --

    Viewed / responded via the newsgroup at

    news.cadsoft.de

     

     

     

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