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EAGLE Newbie Question re: Commercial Usage

Former Member
Former Member over 12 years ago

Came across this phrase:

"Cadsoft is nice to give away a free version for hobby use, but their license is non-commercial. What that means is you aren’t supposed to make things you are going to sell with it".

I am using the Pro student version. Does this statement apply to this?

Thanks.

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    Former Member over 10 years ago

    I know that Omar already asked the question (again), but I'd like to clarify my position.

    I am clearly a hobbyist at this point in time. However, I have the intent of selling a few PCBs (not large volume) for which I have a project that can work within the limits of the Eagle Hobbyist version. Where do you clearly draw the line between a hobbyist who seeks to make money on his/her project and the point at which they might be viewed as "commercial"?

     

    For example, I might sell my little PCB/design as a finished assembly (I buy components, I solder them all down, etc.) for a "reasonable price", perhaps about $150 each. I sell about two board per month to begin with. Then, suddenly I start selling 5 per month. Then I come up with a revision and decide to sell a more complex board (still within the same limits of the Hobbyist version of Eagle)... I increase my price to $250 per board assembly/kit. And then I might start selling 10 per month.

     

    Is there not a grey area for defining one's use before and after commercial? Believe me, I don't see it justified to pay more than the Hobbyist Software package because this is not my primary source of income... not even close.

     

    Opinions? Feedback?

     

    Regards,

    enoughstatic

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    autodeskguest over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Eric Hold wrote:

    I know that Omar already asked the question (again), but I'd like to

    clarify my position.

    I am clearly a hobbyist at this point in time. However, I have the

    intent of selling a few PCBs (not large volume) for which I have a

    project that can work within the limits of the Eagle Hobbyist version.

    Where do you clearly draw the line between a hobbyist who seeks to make

    money ...

     

     

    That is already commercial intent, I'd say.

     

     

    ...on his/her project and the point at which they might be viewed as

    "commercial".

     

    For example, I might sell my little PCB/design as a finished assembly (I

    buy components, I solder them all down, etc.) for a "reasonable price",

    perhaps about $150 each. I sell about two board per month to begin with.

    Then, suddenly I start selling 5 per month. Then I come up with a

    revision and decide to sell a more complex board (still within the same

    limits of the Hobbyist version of Eagle)... I increase my price to $250

    per board assembly/kit. And then I might start selling 10 per month.

     

     

    All very clearly commercial use.

     

     

    Is there not a grey area for defining one's use before and after

    commercial? Believe me, I don't see it justified to pay more than the

    Hobbyist Software package because this is not my primary source of

    income... not even close.

     

    Opinions? Feedback?

     

     

    Of course I can't speak for Cadsoft but IMHO the only non-commercial use

    here would be if you built stuff for yourself and use it, or give it

    away. Selling your one and only prototype at a ham fest or flea market

    after you get tired of it is likely still ok. But I am sure selling

    multiple boards is not ok with the hobbyist license.

     

    You might want to consider buying the standard version without the

    autorouter. I just bought the standard license with autorouter even

    though I will use the layout and maybe the autorouter for only one

    project ever, where at the most two prototypes will be built. They won't

    even be sold but are meant to demonstrate feasibility of a product yet

    that is still commercial use.

     

     

    Regards,

    enoughstatic

     

     

    Hey, no ESD around here image

     

    --

    Regards, Joerg

     

    http://www.analogconsultants.com/

     

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    autodeskguest over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Eric Hold wrote:

    I know that Omar already asked the question (again), but I'd like to

    clarify my position.

    I am clearly a hobbyist at this point in time. However, I have the

    intent of selling a few PCBs (not large volume) for which I have a

    project that can work within the limits of the Eagle Hobbyist version.

    Where do you clearly draw the line between a hobbyist who seeks to make

    money ...

     

     

    That is already commercial intent, I'd say.

     

     

    ...on his/her project and the point at which they might be viewed as

    "commercial".

     

    For example, I might sell my little PCB/design as a finished assembly (I

    buy components, I solder them all down, etc.) for a "reasonable price",

    perhaps about $150 each. I sell about two board per month to begin with.

    Then, suddenly I start selling 5 per month. Then I come up with a

    revision and decide to sell a more complex board (still within the same

    limits of the Hobbyist version of Eagle)... I increase my price to $250

    per board assembly/kit. And then I might start selling 10 per month.

     

     

    All very clearly commercial use.

     

     

    Is there not a grey area for defining one's use before and after

    commercial? Believe me, I don't see it justified to pay more than the

    Hobbyist Software package because this is not my primary source of

    income... not even close.

     

    Opinions? Feedback?

     

     

    Of course I can't speak for Cadsoft but IMHO the only non-commercial use

    here would be if you built stuff for yourself and use it, or give it

    away. Selling your one and only prototype at a ham fest or flea market

    after you get tired of it is likely still ok. But I am sure selling

    multiple boards is not ok with the hobbyist license.

     

    You might want to consider buying the standard version without the

    autorouter. I just bought the standard license with autorouter even

    though I will use the layout and maybe the autorouter for only one

    project ever, where at the most two prototypes will be built. They won't

    even be sold but are meant to demonstrate feasibility of a product yet

    that is still commercial use.

     

     

    Regards,

    enoughstatic

     

     

    Hey, no ESD around here image

     

    --

    Regards, Joerg

     

    http://www.analogconsultants.com/

     

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    autodeskguest over 10 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 30/11/14 23:33, Joerg wrote:

    Of course I can't speak for Cadsoft but IMHO the only non-commercial use

    here would be if you built stuff for yourself and use it, or give it

    away. Selling your one and only prototype at a ham fest or flea market

    after you get tired of it is likely still ok. But I am sure selling

    multiple boards is not ok with the hobbyist license.

     

    Strictly, yes, I have to agree that this line is the one that would most

    likely stand up in court.

     

    If you publish your designs on the web, free, under GPL or similar, then

    that's non-commercial.

     

    If you offer built up boards for sale at cost price only (so it's clear

    you are not making profit, nor assigning any value to your time) then

    it's probably non-commercial.

     

    I have a case where we use my designs for a Scripture Union holiday,

    where the young people etch boards and build them up to those designs.

    The holiday itself is not free but the electronics projects are only one

    of the technical activities and the additional cost for doing them only

    covers the components and bare PCB. I'm pretty sure that counts as

    non-commercial too (but in fact I have a paid-up license anyway).

     

    Like Joerg, I'm struggling to think of any other cases where money is

    involved which are not clearly commercial.

     

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