edit the pin design

Jerome wrote on Tue, 09 February 2010 10:07

Do you know if there is a possibility to edit the library pin design ?

Yes.  I'm sure lots of people do.

Quote:

For design and aesthetics reasons I would like smaller text for the pin

name and number.

So go ahead.

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Jerome schrieb:

Do you know if there is a possibility to edit the library pin design ?

For design and aesthetics reasons I would like smaller text for the pin name

and number.

The implicitly generated pin names and numbers have fixed sizes. You can

however turn them off (in the symbol) and then use text objects instead

- but you lose flexibility for changes, since these names and numbers

won't be automatically updated any more.

I got used to the implicit sizes meanwhile...

(The same applies to distance and orientation if the pin names.)

Tilmann

Tilmann Reh wrote on Tue, 09 February 2010 12:17

The implicitly generated pin names and numbers have fixed sizes.

This is true of the pin names and numbers in a symbol.  It's not clear

whether the OP is referring to these or the NAME and VALUE text.  The

latter can be changed by smashing the part, then editing these text strings

directly.

As for the fixed pin names and sizes in a symbol, these seem reasonable

since pins are intended to be on a .1" grid.  With this size you can have a

column of pins with the name text about the right size.  It's big enough to

be readable but just small enough to not collide with the one above and

below.

I do think there is too much space between the pin and its text label, and

the text orientation of top and bottom pins is backwards.  The convention

for vertical text is to read it down, not up.  Are they ever going to fix

that?

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yes. I don't know about elsewhere, but the I agree, the standard here

en-us is for vertical text to read down, not up. please change it or

make it localizable.

Olin Lathrop schrieb:

The implicitly generated pin names and numbers have fixed sizes.

 

This is true of the pin names and numbers in a symbol.  It's not clear

whether the OP is referring to these or the NAME and VALUE text.

Please read the OP again.

I do think there is too much space between the pin and its text label, and

the text orientation of top and bottom pins is backwards.  The convention

for vertical text is to read it down, not up.  Are they ever going to fix

that?

The convention is to read up, not down. Hopefully they're never going to

change that.

Obviously this is a matter of localization, just like the reversed date

order in the US.

Since there probably is no setting in the OS about vertical text

orientation, this could eventually be solved by YAEIEU (yet another

entry in eaglerc.usr).

Tilmann

I was indeed referring to the implicitly generated texts for the name and

number of each pins of a component, not the >VALUE and >NAME of the

component itself.

I was wondering if I could set somewhere the size of these text, by default

quite large. It seems that the answer is negative. Same for the position of

these text. I prefer a lot the look of such schematics :

http://www.experimentalistsanonymous.com/diy/Schematics/Tone%20Control%20and%20EQs/Elektor%20Parametric%20EQ.gif

where the pin number is present in the drawing (you can read it if you want

to check something) but does not take the whole space around a component.

This was just for aesthetics, not very important,

Thanks,

Jerome

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Jerome schrieb:

 

Do you know if there is a possibility to edit the library pin design ?

For design and aesthetics reasons I would like smaller text for the pin

name

and number.

 

The implicitly generated pin names and numbers have fixed sizes. You can

however turn them off (in the symbol) and then use text objects instead

- but you lose flexibility for changes, since these names and numbers

won't be automatically updated any more.

 

I got used to the implicit sizes meanwhile...

(The same applies to distance and orientation if the pin names.)

 

Tilmann

Tilmann Reh wrote on Wed, 10 February 2010 02:08

The convention is to read up, not down.

Clearly not, as you say so yourself:

Quote:

Obviously this is a matter of localization

If that's where the back-asswards vertical text orientation came from, then

there should at least be a switch, especially since they seem to have

chosen the uncommon convention.  I guess in German vertical text is

generally written upwards?  But I'm using the English version of Eagle, and

its vertical text orientation is broken.  It's been broken for a long time.

It would be nice if they fix that.

Quote:

just like the reversed date order in the US.

That's hardly a standard, but it does appear to be popular for some reason.

I'm in the US but I generaly write dates like 10 February 2010.  In the

computer I use strings like 2010/2/10 since storing and transmitting

information is best done in most to least significant order.  I really hate

to see people write dates like 10/09/08.  Is that 10 September 2008, 9

October 2008, 8 September 2010, or something else?  That kind of ambiguity

is irresponsible in engineering.  At the very least write the full year

out.

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I think the pin number will move outside of the component outline if you

use the short pin rather than the zero length pin. The example you

showed does not have pin names, only numbers, they do not appear much

smaller than the currently used ones. I believe that if you make your

schematic symbols larger you will get most of the effect you want. My

experience is that EAGLE always scales the schematic onto the paper

anyway, so big symbols will then get proportionally shrunk with the

text. This is in V4, maybe v5 is different.

Olin Lathrop wrote:

just like the reversed date order in the US.

it's not reversed, it's scrambled IOW not monotonic.

That's hardly a standard, but it does appear to be popular for some reason.

I'm in the US but I generaly write dates like 10 February 2010.  In the

That's at least unambiguous and human-readable, but...

computer I use strings like 2010/2/10 since storing and transmitting

information is best done in most to least significant order.  I really hate

...the "/" delimiter no good choice since ISO 8601 exists since more

than two decades now and is the only world wide accepted date format.

Oliver

Oliver Betz wrote on Thu, 11 February 2010 03:01

Olin Lathrop wrote:

 

 

just like the reversed date order in the US.

 

it's not reversed, it's scrambled IOW not monotonic.

 

>That's hardly a standard, but it does appear to be popular for some

reason.

I'm in the US but I generaly write dates like 10 February 2010.  In

the

 

That's at least unambiguous and human-readable, but...

 

>computer I use strings like 2010/2/10 since storing and transmitting

>information is best done in most to least significant order.  I really

hate

 

....the "/" delimiter no good choice since ISO 8601 exists since more

than two decades now and is the only world wide accepted date format.

I agree Oliver.  The iso standard also has the nice feature that if you use

it in a filename then it will sort chronologically as well with any

standard file browser on any platform.  I use this all the time on

documents like invoices, documents, ....

For those who don't know, here is more info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

Cheers,

James.

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