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autodeskguest
autodeskguest over 15 years ago

Hi All,

 

I am laying out a PCB that has a footprint for a module that is a PCB with

side-plated contacts.

 

Underneath the module there are a few vias and I am concerned they might

short with vias on the underside of the PCB module.

 

I thought that I coule edit tStop and remove the stop on the top layer, so

that the vias are completely covered on the top, but open on the bottom.

 

Firstly, is it safe to do this, and secondly, how do I edit the tStop layer.

When I view it, I just see hatched circles where the vias are, but I dont

seem to be able remove them.

 

All hints suggestions and ideas welcome!

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

 

 

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    autodeskguest over 15 years ago

    Olin Lathrop wrote:

     

    only for careless board houses. Serious manufacturers know the risks.

     

    Take a look at most circuit boards, and you will see the vias covered with

    soldermask.

     

    the good ones are not covered with solder resist but plugged (a

    separate processing), the bad ones are simply bad.

     

    Apparently someone here had a bad day possibly caused by dirt

    trapped under the soldermask which then corroded the via.  Yes, I suppose

     

    Where should "dirt" come from?

     

    If something is trapped in those vias then likely chemicals from the

    board processing, uncured resist.

     

    With open vias, the surface finish (HAL, immersion Tin etc.) also

    coats and protects the via and drives away the residues of the

    previous processing. Solder resist over the via hole prevents this so

    you get bare Copper contaminated with some chemicals. And you don't

    get reliably closed holes, so it could be that humidity enters the

    via, forming some even more critical mixture.

     

    careless board houses can run into that, but that doesn't make the overall

    concept wrong.

     

    I once had a problem with a run of boards that failed months after getting

    into the field.  This was eventually traced back to sloppy board

    manufacture.  A connector was used with relatively fine pitch, 1.25mm if I

    remember right.  The PCB material was not made correctly, so there were

    small voids in it.  Chemical residue got stuck in the voids, which over

    time either shorted out adjacent pins directly or caused metal atoms to

    migrate which then caused shorts.  Some were only a few ohms between

     

    Maybe "conductive anodic filaments" (CAF) often happening with bad

    laminate.

     

     

    Anyway, the point is stuff goes wrong, but don't blame it on the wrong

    thing or believe in mythological solutions.  What you're saying about the

    solder mask is like saying I should never use a 1.25mm connector again

    because one board house made bad PCBs that run.  Clearly that would be

    silly.

     

    It's silly to be reluctant to gather information about the problem and

    insist on writing that solder resist covered vias are o.k.

     

    Please do use solder resist covered vias in your products as you like,

    but don't tell other people that it is correct to do so.

     

    Oliver

     

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    autodeskguest over 15 years ago

    Olin Lathrop wrote:

     

    only for careless board houses. Serious manufacturers know the risks.

     

    Take a look at most circuit boards, and you will see the vias covered with

    soldermask.

     

    the good ones are not covered with solder resist but plugged (a

    separate processing), the bad ones are simply bad.

     

    Apparently someone here had a bad day possibly caused by dirt

    trapped under the soldermask which then corroded the via.  Yes, I suppose

     

    Where should "dirt" come from?

     

    If something is trapped in those vias then likely chemicals from the

    board processing, uncured resist.

     

    With open vias, the surface finish (HAL, immersion Tin etc.) also

    coats and protects the via and drives away the residues of the

    previous processing. Solder resist over the via hole prevents this so

    you get bare Copper contaminated with some chemicals. And you don't

    get reliably closed holes, so it could be that humidity enters the

    via, forming some even more critical mixture.

     

    careless board houses can run into that, but that doesn't make the overall

    concept wrong.

     

    I once had a problem with a run of boards that failed months after getting

    into the field.  This was eventually traced back to sloppy board

    manufacture.  A connector was used with relatively fine pitch, 1.25mm if I

    remember right.  The PCB material was not made correctly, so there were

    small voids in it.  Chemical residue got stuck in the voids, which over

    time either shorted out adjacent pins directly or caused metal atoms to

    migrate which then caused shorts.  Some were only a few ohms between

     

    Maybe "conductive anodic filaments" (CAF) often happening with bad

    laminate.

     

     

    Anyway, the point is stuff goes wrong, but don't blame it on the wrong

    thing or believe in mythological solutions.  What you're saying about the

    solder mask is like saying I should never use a 1.25mm connector again

    because one board house made bad PCBs that run.  Clearly that would be

    silly.

     

    It's silly to be reluctant to gather information about the problem and

    insist on writing that solder resist covered vias are o.k.

     

    Please do use solder resist covered vias in your products as you like,

    but don't tell other people that it is correct to do so.

     

    Oliver

     

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