Future of Eagle

Chuck Huber wrote:

 

On 08/16/2016 08:48 AM, rachaelp wrote:

 

You missed the new feature that doesn't require any external resources. The one where the net names appears in your traces in your PCB.

 

Okay... I missed this one. How does one turn this on? I'm using 7.6.0

on linux. I didn't find anything in Help, nor the manual, nor in

Options->Set.

 

Thanks,

- Chuck

 

Hi Chuck,

It's not available in 7.6.0, it's in the latest 7.6.2 beta. Then in Options -> Set -> Misc there is a new checkbox for 'Display signal names'.

Best Regards,

Rachael

On 08/16/2016 08:48 AM, rachaelp wrote:

 

You missed the new feature that doesn't require any external resources. The one where the net names appears in your traces in your PCB.

Okay... I missed this one.  How does one turn this on?  I'm using 7.6.0

on linux.  I didn't find anything in Help, nor the manual, nor in

Options->Set.

Thanks,

    - Chuck

On 08/16/2016 08:48 AM, rachaelp wrote:

 

You missed the new feature that doesn't require any external resources. The one where the net names appears in your traces in your PCB.

Okay... I missed this one.  How does one turn this on?  I'm using 7.6.0

on linux.  I didn't find anything in Help, nor the manual, nor in

Options->Set.

Thanks,

    - Chuck

On 16.08.2016 19:05, rachaelp wrote:

Yes the mirror view really should be done in the EAGLE GUI without involving ULP to actually mirror everything.

I have to admit I tested it now that you mentioned it and its not too bad.

On 16.08.2016 19:05, rachaelp wrote:

Yes the mirror view really should be done in the EAGLE GUI without involving ULP to actually mirror everything.

I have to admit I tested it now that you mentioned it and its not too bad.

CadSoft Guest wrote:

 

I beg CadSoft for years to finally implement a mirrored view of the PCB,

to arrange my silkscreen on the bottom side of the board.

 

Right now I work with the awful hack of moving the silkscreen on my best

guess and print it out mirrored.

Yes the mirror view really should be done in the EAGLE GUI without involving ULP to actually mirror everything. Funnily enough I was just doing this very task today, creating assembly drawings for a PCB with components on both sides. I did use the mirror board function which is built into EAGLE's menus but I think just uses a ULP to mirror things at the back end. It actually doesn't do too bad a job and it seems to get the layer swaps relatively sensible. Undo/redo also seems to work fine afterwards. Maybe they've improved it now it's fully integrated into the UI. So my workflow for this involved turning off all but dimension, tPlace, tNames and tDocu then adding in a frame and notes on the document layer. I then printed this to PDF, grouped and cut the frame and notes and then deleted them, mirrored and pasted the frame and notes back, edited them as needed and then print them again. It was less than 5 minutes work in the end to generate my assembly drawings in PDF. Note I saved my frame  and notes on the document layer before doing any mirrors and never saved it after mirroring.

Best Regards,

Rachael

On 16.08.2016 17:30, rachaelp wrote:

There is nothing wrong with providing features with ULP per se, but when CADsoft implement a feature in ULP they have to be prepared to support it, and I think in general they do. The issue Joop14 was raising was the combination of that quoted sentence and his subsequent one regarding support for problems with ULP, which if it's a 3rd party supplied ULP then it's to be expected that it would not be supported with the caveat that if it's shipped with EAGLE as part of the installer I believe they should provide support. That first sentence on its own isn't an issue.

I beg CadSoft for years to finally implement a mirrored view of the PCB,

to arrange my silkscreen on the bottom side of the board.

Right now I work with the awful hack of moving the silkscreen on my best

guess and print it out mirrored.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one having designs with top and mirror

silk....

CadSoft's answer: There is an ULP for that. Which BTW changes the whole

board file by really physically mirror each component it into some weird

layers, which of course allows me seeing the board in a mirrored view,

but unfortunately lacks even the most basic undo/redo feature then and

I'm afraid of ruining my whole design by applying this over and over again.

It's just not something that belongs in an ULP. Period.

A real "mirror" view of the board is in my opinion nothing more than

multiplying the coordinates of each primitive of the board by -1 and

shift the viewport, and should be easy to implement.

I guess the labeled track names on the CB are more complicated to

calculate for spacing, from which zoom factor they should be displayed

and so on.

I'm also a programmer, it cannot be that hard. And it would be so useful.

Markus

On 16.08.2016 17:30, rachaelp wrote:

There is nothing wrong with providing features with ULP per se, but when CADsoft implement a feature in ULP they have to be prepared to support it, and I think in general they do. The issue Joop14 was raising was the combination of that quoted sentence and his subsequent one regarding support for problems with ULP, which if it's a 3rd party supplied ULP then it's to be expected that it would not be supported with the caveat that if it's shipped with EAGLE as part of the installer I believe they should provide support. That first sentence on its own isn't an issue.

I beg CadSoft for years to finally implement a mirrored view of the PCB,

to arrange my silkscreen on the bottom side of the board.

Right now I work with the awful hack of moving the silkscreen on my best

guess and print it out mirrored.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one having designs with top and mirror

silk....

CadSoft's answer: There is an ULP for that. Which BTW changes the whole

board file by really physically mirror each component it into some weird

layers, which of course allows me seeing the board in a mirrored view,

but unfortunately lacks even the most basic undo/redo feature then and

I'm afraid of ruining my whole design by applying this over and over again.

It's just not something that belongs in an ULP. Period.

A real "mirror" view of the board is in my opinion nothing more than

multiplying the coordinates of each primitive of the board by -1 and

shift the viewport, and should be easy to implement.

I guess the labeled track names on the CB are more complicated to

calculate for spacing, from which zoom factor they should be displayed

and so on.

I'm also a programmer, it cannot be that hard. And it would be so useful.

Markus

CadSoft Guest wrote:

 

On 16.08.2016 15:31, Joop wrote:

 

Then there's a "general issue" with Eagle & Cadsoft. When you ask for a feature, they provide you an ulp.

 

That is soooooo true.

 

Markus

 

There is nothing wrong with providing features with ULP per se, but when CADsoft implement a feature in ULP they have to be prepared to support it, and I think in general they do. The issue Joop14 was raising was the combination of that quoted sentence and his subsequent one regarding support for problems with ULP, which if it's a 3rd party supplied ULP then it's to be expected that it would not be supported with the caveat that if it's shipped with EAGLE as part of the installer I believe they should provide support. That first sentence on its own isn't an issue.

Best Regards,

Rachael

On 16.08.2016 15:31, Joop wrote:

Then there's a "general issue" with Eagle & Cadsoft. When you ask for a

feature,

they provide you an ulp.

That is soooooo true.

Markus