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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 9 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to imm

    On 2/23/2017 4:45 AM, Ian Mackenzie wrote:

    Hi Matt,

     

    "  a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money. "

     

    Can you confirm how this works - is it as simple as an option from a pull down menu that activate & deactivates the subscription  - if so then this would be very good! As a casual / contract person I use the software infrequently however I need the full Premium version when I do. In the past I have had to squeeze designs into smaller than ideal spaces and use less than the ideal number of layers just because there is insufficient work to justify the cost of the full software. It would be ideal if I could use and pay for the full software for only a few months a year - hey I also know retirees that would love this model giving them full features but only paying when they have a project going.

     

    Ian

     

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    Hello Ian,

     

    I hope you're doing well. Here's the process:

     

    1. Visit http://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/subscribe choose the

    monthly option you want (Standard or Premium) and click subscribe online.

    2. In the next screen you select add to cart.

    3. Now you can pick however many months you wish to buy of EAGLE use.

    4. Continue with the rest of the process.

     

    Once the order has been processed (in many cases can be instantaneous,

    in the worst case a few hours). Your Autodesk account will have an

    entitlement for EAGLE.

     

    Open up the latest version of EAGLE 8 and sign into your Autodesk

    Account. Once the sign in is successful EAGLE will show that you have

    the version you paid for. If you run into issues contact support.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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  • sauerwald
    sauerwald over 9 years ago in reply to imm

    Ian

     

    I used to work in the broadcast video industry, and they have a model which works something like this.  You can buy editing tools which run on firmware, and then rent, short-term, different options for your machine.  In this way, I can have a business where I do some task on TV commercials, and when a client comes to me and wants me to do a job on his commercial which is in a different format from what I usually use, I can rent support for that format for a month, and I then have the full capability to support that client, for the term of that job.   After that, I can still view, save, send the work, but can't edit it without renting that particular module again.

     

    The issue that I have is that if I move to Eagle 8, I am locking my future designs into a software tool for which I have to trust Autocad that I will have continued access.   Autocad have broken promises recently, so that trust is not there, and that is what makes me hesitant to use anything beyond the Version 7 that I currently have a license for.

     

    Mark

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 9 years ago in reply to geralds

    Gerald Schwarz wrote:

     

    Hi Rachael,

     

    Are you a pensioner? A lady or man?

     

    Because i saw that you here every time and you everywhere posts here.

    (since nov2015 nearly 25000 posts) and you'll staying at Eagle 7.7.0 and waits

    that Autodesk do something likely for you....

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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    Hi Gerald,

     

    I am a lady and no I am not a pensioner! image I work from my home office and have these forums up regularly to keep up with what's going on. I don't have nearly 25000 posts, I have nearly 25000 points on Element14. My actual number of posts is considerably less. I actually joined EAGLECentral before Element14 so my posts on there started in March 2015. To date I have 502 posts in the EAGLE forums (EAGLECentral and Element14 EAGLE forums both sync to the CADSoft NNTP servers so are effectively the same content) but more than that in total on Element 14 as I also post in other areas on there. Still, likely to be around 1000 posts total I suspect although I don't know how I can calculate an exact figure on there.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • geralds
    geralds over 9 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi Rachael,

     

    Are you a pensioner? A lady or man?

     

    Because i saw that you here every time and you everywhere posts here.

    (since nov2015 nearly 25000 posts) and you'll staying at Eagle 7.7.0 and waits

    that Autodesk do something likely for you....

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 9 years ago in reply to chris60601

    Chris Silva wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 14:52

    Too bad Eagle Cad wasnt Open Source or maybe AutoDesk "could" make the

    7.7.0 version open to the community for support and development. A fork

    if you will. Find a happy medium for size and layers and be done with it.

    Folks or companies that want the full version would simply pay for 8x and

    above.

     

     

    The price isn't the problem. The subscription is the problem.

    They don't even let you buy a license for the old V7 or V6 anymore.

     

     

     

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  • chris60601
    chris60601 over 9 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    As I posted on another forum....

     

    Consider this; what if AutoDesk "could" make the 7.7.0 version open to the community for support and development. A fork if you will.

    Find a happy medium for project size and layers, keep the Eagle Cad stamp on the application, keep licensing open and be done with it.

    As this version develops, AutoDesk could take features from this public version and incorporate into the licensed version. This could allow further development expansion for AD and allow further communication with the greater community by showing them that they have "skin in the game".

    In the end, this could sway the hard-line "perpetuals" to adopt the newer versions put out by AD.

     

    For folks or companies that want a "fuller" and supported version; they would pay for the AutoDesk stamped version along with the yearly "maintenance fee".

     

    Thoughts?

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 9 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Guest wrote:

     

    ... And ofcourse they want to let believe us it's

    unlikely.

    Keep in mind that they are salesmen. They tell whatever they think is good

    for

    their business and their jobs. You can not trust them.

     

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    and I guess that with this comment we've reached the bottom. It's bizarre what I'm reading in this thread.

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Maybe the over next step of the loyal old users is to start a

    crowdfounding project to buy eagle back from autdesk.

     


    I doubt they are willing to do that. SolidWorks now has a PCB design option ( SOLIDWORKS PCB | Electrical Design Packages | SOLIDWORKS ) and I am guessing Autodesk bought EAGLE so they can catch up with that. I don't think their marketing decisions put much weight on the old EAGLE customers, they just wanted to add PCB design functionality to their product portfolio.

     

    This may or may not be a successful plan. I have yet to see any electronics engineer use SolidWorks for PCB design. Plus mechanical and electronics people have different favourites. You can't get an Altium or OrCaD engineer learn EAGLE because his mechanical engineer colleague wants him to.

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    Joop14 over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Andreas Fecht wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 09:23

    Maybe the over next step of the loyal old users is to start a

    crowdfounding project to buy eagle back from autdesk.

     

     

    I have been thinking about that as well. First we have to wait for a year

    to make

    autodesk realize their investment is lost.

     

     

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  • imm
    imm over 9 years ago

    Hi Matt,

     

    "  a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money. "

     

    Can you confirm how this works - is it as simple as an option from a pull down menu that activate & deactivates the subscription  - if so then this would be very good! As a casual / contract person I use the software infrequently however I need the full Premium version when I do. In the past I have had to squeeze designs into smaller than ideal spaces and use less than the ideal number of layers just because there is insufficient work to justify the cost of the full software. It would be ideal if I could use and pay for the full software for only a few months a year - hey I also know retirees that would love this model giving them full features but only paying when they have a project going.

     

    Ian

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