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Subscription model issues

autodeskguest
autodeskguest over 8 years ago

I've read a lot of complains about this new model, some real concerns,

and some lesser real to the plain grumpy ones. I suggest we list up the

real concerns here, and I will start with mine.

 

First, an plausible explanation why changes are frustrating for the

users. All the users already writing their frustration have all spent

and will continue spending their time on this issue. If there was no

change in licensing, this time would have been used for something

productive. This causes some frustration. The users who don't care can

save this time, but the ones having real concerns should be listened to

when they spend their time on it.

 

My own biggest concern has already started; Unneccesary mental

involvement (or lost time if you like). This is something I have started

to protect myself against, seeing flood waves of "social" media wanting

my attention. Supscription model requires my (and matbe my teams) time

and us to think about alot of whatif scenarios. This is uncomfortable

because there is no answer. What I do know is that if something goes

wrong, my data may (in extreme worst case) end up close to worthless.

The reason why I added "close to" is that the data is xml format, and

does make some sense, at lest for me with a lot of understanding about

eagle structures. This comforts me.

 

Some of my whatifs are:

-Will autodesk be able to serve all the eagle online versions after

aquistions/new management and/or company policies? I think we will be

forced to use latest version, but it doesnt take much to imagine retro

issues in 10-20 years. All online tools will have retro issues by nature.

 

-How much money will my project cost and what subscription model fits me

best? This is impossible to answer. The projects I work with may be

intense layout in 6-24 months, then there is mostly idling for years

until we need to make a new product.So I, and maybe my team have to

spend some time trying to get a forecast. Not just that, but if we go

for 6 months subscription, we have to spend time on doing a new aval

before the next layout wave! This is wasted time compare to the other

model, so we will maybe end up (after wasting that time) throwing our

money at continuous subscription to avoid spending even more time trying

to find a "good" answer.

 

The comfort of only needing to trust myself keeping binaries(inc keys),

not having to worry or make purchase decisions until you are confident

new features will ease your job, is very pleasant to a busy mind, and

even worth paying premium for.

 

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +1
    On 1/20/2017 5:20 AM, René König wrote: > The discussion of issues is kind of superfluous. They already pointed > out that their position is not negotiable. Whatever we discuss, it's not > going to change…
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  • Justynb
    Justynb over 8 years ago

    My own concern is about the mechanism, I need guranteed access to my

    designs through Eagle, no matter what external factors are present.

     

    License enforcement systems are by their nature quite fragile, because they

    are designed to prevent software from starting if they believe that the

    machine has changed (otherwise people would copy relevent data from one

    machine to another).

     

    In other words you may find that despite having let Eagle ping the servers

    recently a system change on your computer means that the software needs to

    authenticate again.

     

    If you are offline at this point, or the server is down, you're screwed.

     

    Worse, if the system update was actually incompatible with the license

    checking mechanism then the software provider has to release an update

    before it will run at all.

     

    Lastly in the longer term we may try to access our Eagle files 10 years

    from now and find that they are incompatible, perhaps Eagle has shut down

    or radically changed. We will have no way of using those designs.

     

    That they have a fairly open file format mitigates my concerns very

    slightly. Otherwise I would not even consider it.

     

    Matt Berggren has said that a future update will ensure that after 14 days

    of no connectivity the software will revert to freeware mode, where it can

    be used as a reader on any designs, and hopefully allow generation of

    manufacturing data. Furthermore without paying anything you can use the

    freeware version, BUT you must get online after installation at least

    once.

     

    SO after installing or reinstalling Eagle (or if the license check fails

    due to system update) Eagle will apparently fail to start at all without an

    internet connection. As a compromise I would really like to see a true

    fallback, that will revert to freeware mode without ever having had any

    internet connection at all.

     

    This would be more robust and will have no effect on their current pricing

    scheme (it is freeware either way, why do you need an internet

    connection?). I would like to see some response from Matt on this.

     

    Oh and to be clear, I would gladly pay a premium for a real offline

    perpetual license. However I'm pretty sure Matt doesn't have the authority

    to offer this, because Autodesk has (I believe) moved all of their software

    to this subscription model, so I highly doubt they'd let him make an

    exception for Eagle.

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • Justynb
    Justynb over 8 years ago

    My own concern is about the mechanism, I need guranteed access to my

    designs through Eagle, no matter what external factors are present.

     

    License enforcement systems are by their nature quite fragile, because they

    are designed to prevent software from starting if they believe that the

    machine has changed (otherwise people would copy relevent data from one

    machine to another).

     

    In other words you may find that despite having let Eagle ping the servers

    recently a system change on your computer means that the software needs to

    authenticate again.

     

    If you are offline at this point, or the server is down, you're screwed.

     

    Worse, if the system update was actually incompatible with the license

    checking mechanism then the software provider has to release an update

    before it will run at all.

     

    Lastly in the longer term we may try to access our Eagle files 10 years

    from now and find that they are incompatible, perhaps Eagle has shut down

    or radically changed. We will have no way of using those designs.

     

    That they have a fairly open file format mitigates my concerns very

    slightly. Otherwise I would not even consider it.

     

    Matt Berggren has said that a future update will ensure that after 14 days

    of no connectivity the software will revert to freeware mode, where it can

    be used as a reader on any designs, and hopefully allow generation of

    manufacturing data. Furthermore without paying anything you can use the

    freeware version, BUT you must get online after installation at least

    once.

     

    SO after installing or reinstalling Eagle (or if the license check fails

    due to system update) Eagle will apparently fail to start at all without an

    internet connection. As a compromise I would really like to see a true

    fallback, that will revert to freeware mode without ever having had any

    internet connection at all.

     

    This would be more robust and will have no effect on their current pricing

    scheme (it is freeware either way, why do you need an internet

    connection?). I would like to see some response from Matt on this.

     

    Oh and to be clear, I would gladly pay a premium for a real offline

    perpetual license. However I'm pretty sure Matt doesn't have the authority

    to offer this, because Autodesk has (I believe) moved all of their software

    to this subscription model, so I highly doubt they'd let him make an

    exception for Eagle.

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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