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Subscription model issues

autodeskguest
autodeskguest over 8 years ago

I've read a lot of complains about this new model, some real concerns,

and some lesser real to the plain grumpy ones. I suggest we list up the

real concerns here, and I will start with mine.

 

First, an plausible explanation why changes are frustrating for the

users. All the users already writing their frustration have all spent

and will continue spending their time on this issue. If there was no

change in licensing, this time would have been used for something

productive. This causes some frustration. The users who don't care can

save this time, but the ones having real concerns should be listened to

when they spend their time on it.

 

My own biggest concern has already started; Unneccesary mental

involvement (or lost time if you like). This is something I have started

to protect myself against, seeing flood waves of "social" media wanting

my attention. Supscription model requires my (and matbe my teams) time

and us to think about alot of whatif scenarios. This is uncomfortable

because there is no answer. What I do know is that if something goes

wrong, my data may (in extreme worst case) end up close to worthless.

The reason why I added "close to" is that the data is xml format, and

does make some sense, at lest for me with a lot of understanding about

eagle structures. This comforts me.

 

Some of my whatifs are:

-Will autodesk be able to serve all the eagle online versions after

aquistions/new management and/or company policies? I think we will be

forced to use latest version, but it doesnt take much to imagine retro

issues in 10-20 years. All online tools will have retro issues by nature.

 

-How much money will my project cost and what subscription model fits me

best? This is impossible to answer. The projects I work with may be

intense layout in 6-24 months, then there is mostly idling for years

until we need to make a new product.So I, and maybe my team have to

spend some time trying to get a forecast. Not just that, but if we go

for 6 months subscription, we have to spend time on doing a new aval

before the next layout wave! This is wasted time compare to the other

model, so we will maybe end up (after wasting that time) throwing our

money at continuous subscription to avoid spending even more time trying

to find a "good" answer.

 

The comfort of only needing to trust myself keeping binaries(inc keys),

not having to worry or make purchase decisions until you are confident

new features will ease your job, is very pleasant to a busy mind, and

even worth paying premium for.

 

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +1
    On 1/20/2017 5:20 AM, René König wrote: > The discussion of issues is kind of superfluous. They already pointed > out that their position is not negotiable. Whatever we discuss, it's not > going to change…
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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago

    The discussion of issues is kind of superfluous. They already pointed

    out that their position is not negotiable. Whatever we discuss, it's not

    going to change anything.

     

    On the other hand, that is not necessarily the truth. They have already

    proven as being liars: They promised that it's not going subscription,

    but it is. They promised an upgrade path to V8 and there's none. They

    promised super exiting features and none. And what is new does not seem

    to work very well. I've lost all my good faith in autodesk.

     

    They also said that we will be "pleasantly surprised" by the new pricing

    scheme. Is this sarcasm or what is it? I had to pay something around 500

    EUR in the past for a transition to a new version. Now, I'm getting a

    one year subscription for that amount of money. When the year is over, I

    can't start new projects. All the money vanished in the void, you are

    required to pay again. And what will the pricing be one year from now?

    Did I mention that I don't trust them any longer?

     

    We are in 2017, a time with existing alternatives. I'm going to evaluate

    them in the foreseeable future.

     

    Was that real, less real or was it grumpy? It's real disappointment,

    that's for sure.

     

    Rene

     

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 20.01.2017 11:20, René König wrote:

    The discussion of issues is kind of superfluous. They already pointed

    out that their position is not negotiable. Whatever we discuss, it's not

    going to change anything.

     

    We should not give up so easy.

     

    On the other hand, that is not necessarily the truth. They have already

    proven as being liars: They promised that it's not going subscription,

    but it is. They promised an upgrade path to V8 and there's none. They

    promised super exiting features and none. And what is new does not seem

    to work very well. I've lost all my good faith in autodesk.

     

    Yep.

     

     

    They also said that we will be "pleasantly surprised" by the new pricing

    scheme. Is this sarcasm or what is it? I had to pay something around 500

    EUR in the past for a transition to a new version. Now, I'm getting a

    one year subscription for that amount of money. When the year is over, I

    can't start new projects. All the money vanished in the void, you are

    required to pay again. And what will the pricing be one year from now?

    Did I mention that I don't trust them any longer?

     

    We are in 2017, a time with existing alternatives. I'm going to evaluate

    them in the foreseeable future.

     

    Was that real, less real or was it grumpy? It's real disappointment,

    that's for sure.

     

    I'm also.

     

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 20.01.2017 11:20, René König wrote:

    The discussion of issues is kind of superfluous. They already pointed

    out that their position is not negotiable. Whatever we discuss, it's not

    going to change anything.

     

    We should not give up so easy.

     

    On the other hand, that is not necessarily the truth. They have already

    proven as being liars: They promised that it's not going subscription,

    but it is. They promised an upgrade path to V8 and there's none. They

    promised super exiting features and none. And what is new does not seem

    to work very well. I've lost all my good faith in autodesk.

     

    Yep.

     

     

    They also said that we will be "pleasantly surprised" by the new pricing

    scheme. Is this sarcasm or what is it? I had to pay something around 500

    EUR in the past for a transition to a new version. Now, I'm getting a

    one year subscription for that amount of money. When the year is over, I

    can't start new projects. All the money vanished in the void, you are

    required to pay again. And what will the pricing be one year from now?

    Did I mention that I don't trust them any longer?

     

    We are in 2017, a time with existing alternatives. I'm going to evaluate

    them in the foreseeable future.

     

    Was that real, less real or was it grumpy? It's real disappointment,

    that's for sure.

     

    I'm also.

     

     

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