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open letter to Autodesk.

autodeskguest
autodeskguest over 8 years ago

Dear Autodesk,

 

We are small company that have a license for EAGLE v7 and we

are quite happy using it.

It is excellent news that you have released version 8 and we

are excited with the prospects of innovations you may be delivering

for version 9, 10 ,11 etc in a future to come.

 

We understand that EAGLE now is available on subscription only,

that is fine with us. The only problem we see is that the fee value

for premium ver. 70euro/month seems quite wrong for our small company

business model.

 

We would like to see a monthly fee of 780 euro for using Eagle.

That really is much more realistic.

 

Our proposed terms are negotiable and we may drop amount that Autodesk

needs to pay us for the usage of Eagle quite a bit depending on some

licensing improvements Autodesk may do.

 

--

 

It is our understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that Eagle projects

can only be opened in Eagle. Also Eagle only saves CAD files in Eagle

format.

So it is our understanding that we cannot use other software tools

to continue a work started in Eagle nor we can use anything else to view

Eagle files.

Therefore Autodesk will have the power to affect, impact or even disrupt our

work-flow and our design efforts (that cost us money).

Note this situation is totally different from MS-office or

Photoshop-Adobe or

even Autocad where files that can be worked out (almost) flawlessly in many

other software packages.

 

Our HDRM (hypothetical daily risk manager) (me) did a brief analysis of

our present

and past projects and calculated a monthly fee of about 850euro to cover

the risks

associated with granting a third party company the power to interfere

with our business.

 

We concluded that it does not matter if we are going to use Eagle a

little or a lot

or even if we did not used it at all for a period. As long as we want to

have the availability

to use it immediately (with or without Internet) when we so desire we

must keep paying a monthly or yearly subscription fee. to have the power

to use it.

Okay... sounds fair.

 

In the same way, it does not matter if Autodesk will use or not his power to

stop us from working on a project (either in the form of unintentional

unavailability

of license servers, or eventual loose of interest in Eagle and drop it,

or simply going out of business one day) as long as Autodest wants to

have that

disruptive interfering power in our small company should also be paying

us the

corresponding risk fee. If the previous sounds fair this one must sound

equally fair.

 

So the math is simple: 850(our risk)-70(eagle subs) = 780euro/month we are

willing to receive from Autodesk to start using Eagle 8 and newer.

We can depart from here as our position is fully negotiable image

 

We see quite ugly (to say the least) renting something that force us

to keep renting or otherwise face a retroactive loss.

Again I stress it is not fair since you don't view and edit Eagle files

elsewhere but in eagle.

Also not pretty to deny the common practice in long term projects

to backup all development environment and be able to recreate it later.

 

There is always a possibility to annoy all users by adding a powerful

"save-as/export" to solve this specific unfairness of your renting model

and stick to it...

 

I still see some other interesting options for Autodesk like adding the good

old perpetual license model,  or simply take a seat and watch us all

move elsewhere.

 

 

Yours faithfully.

 

Luis C.

 

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  • clem57
    clem57 over 8 years ago +2
    I see a storm brewing here and elsewhere
  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to balearicdynamics +2
    Enrico Miglino schrieb: The way to port is something I am thinking too, as you can imagine. At the moment the only possible solution I see is through the Gerber export process, a format that can be imported…
  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +2
    Joern Paschedag schrieb: Hi Klaus, apart from all this trouble it is nice to hear a (very short) word from you and I hope you are doing well That's exactly what I was about to write. Tilmann
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    clem57 over 8 years ago

    I see a storm brewing here and elsewhereimage

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    balearicdynamics over 8 years ago in reply to clem57

    Nice way to say the reality. Agree. Not only respect this specific case.

     

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