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open letter to Autodesk.

autodeskguest
autodeskguest over 8 years ago

Dear Autodesk,

 

We are small company that have a license for EAGLE v7 and we

are quite happy using it.

It is excellent news that you have released version 8 and we

are excited with the prospects of innovations you may be delivering

for version 9, 10 ,11 etc in a future to come.

 

We understand that EAGLE now is available on subscription only,

that is fine with us. The only problem we see is that the fee value

for premium ver. 70euro/month seems quite wrong for our small company

business model.

 

We would like to see a monthly fee of 780 euro for using Eagle.

That really is much more realistic.

 

Our proposed terms are negotiable and we may drop amount that Autodesk

needs to pay us for the usage of Eagle quite a bit depending on some

licensing improvements Autodesk may do.

 

--

 

It is our understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that Eagle projects

can only be opened in Eagle. Also Eagle only saves CAD files in Eagle

format.

So it is our understanding that we cannot use other software tools

to continue a work started in Eagle nor we can use anything else to view

Eagle files.

Therefore Autodesk will have the power to affect, impact or even disrupt our

work-flow and our design efforts (that cost us money).

Note this situation is totally different from MS-office or

Photoshop-Adobe or

even Autocad where files that can be worked out (almost) flawlessly in many

other software packages.

 

Our HDRM (hypothetical daily risk manager) (me) did a brief analysis of

our present

and past projects and calculated a monthly fee of about 850euro to cover

the risks

associated with granting a third party company the power to interfere

with our business.

 

We concluded that it does not matter if we are going to use Eagle a

little or a lot

or even if we did not used it at all for a period. As long as we want to

have the availability

to use it immediately (with or without Internet) when we so desire we

must keep paying a monthly or yearly subscription fee. to have the power

to use it.

Okay... sounds fair.

 

In the same way, it does not matter if Autodesk will use or not his power to

stop us from working on a project (either in the form of unintentional

unavailability

of license servers, or eventual loose of interest in Eagle and drop it,

or simply going out of business one day) as long as Autodest wants to

have that

disruptive interfering power in our small company should also be paying

us the

corresponding risk fee. If the previous sounds fair this one must sound

equally fair.

 

So the math is simple: 850(our risk)-70(eagle subs) = 780euro/month we are

willing to receive from Autodesk to start using Eagle 8 and newer.

We can depart from here as our position is fully negotiable image

 

We see quite ugly (to say the least) renting something that force us

to keep renting or otherwise face a retroactive loss.

Again I stress it is not fair since you don't view and edit Eagle files

elsewhere but in eagle.

Also not pretty to deny the common practice in long term projects

to backup all development environment and be able to recreate it later.

 

There is always a possibility to annoy all users by adding a powerful

"save-as/export" to solve this specific unfairness of your renting model

and stick to it...

 

I still see some other interesting options for Autodesk like adding the good

old perpetual license model,  or simply take a seat and watch us all

move elsewhere.

 

 

Yours faithfully.

 

Luis C.

 

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  • clem57
    clem57 over 8 years ago +2
    I see a storm brewing here and elsewhere
  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to balearicdynamics +2
    Enrico Miglino schrieb: The way to port is something I am thinking too, as you can imagine. At the moment the only possible solution I see is through the Gerber export process, a format that can be imported…
  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +2
    Joern Paschedag schrieb: Hi Klaus, apart from all this trouble it is nice to hear a (very short) word from you and I hope you are doing well That's exactly what I was about to write. Tilmann
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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago

    I just stumbled over this:

    https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/CADsoft-Reviews-E722114.htm

     

    Doesn't look very well...:(

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • clem57
    clem57 over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Ouch! What can anyone say?

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to clem57

    On 28.01.2017 16:45, C-3PO (Clem) wrote:

    Ouch! What can anyone say?

     

    You do realize that this refers to a completely different company!?

     

    --> www.cadsoft-consult.com

     

    Klaus

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Well spotted! This page is being linked to on other forums too and nobody else has pointed this out yet image

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Klaus Schmidinger wrote on Sat, 28 January 2017 16:57

    You do realize that this refers to a completely different company!?

     

    --> www.cadsoft-consult.com

     

     

    Oops... you are right. I apologize.

     

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Am 28.01.2017 um 16:57 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger:

    On 28.01.2017 16:45, C-3PO (Clem) wrote:

    Ouch! What can anyone say?

     

    You do realize that this refers to a completely different company!?

     

    --> www.cadsoft-consult.com

     

    Klaus

     

    Hi Klaus,

    apart from all this trouble it is nice to her a (verrry short) word from

    you and I hope you are doing well image

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

     

    Joern Paschedag

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Am 28.01.2017 um 16:57 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger:

    On 28.01.2017 16:45, C-3PO (Clem) wrote:

    Ouch! What can anyone say?

     

    You do realize that this refers to a completely different company!?

     

    --> www.cadsoft-consult.com

     

    Klaus

     

    Hi Klaus,

    apart from all this trouble it is nice to hear a (verrry short) word

    from you and I hope you are doing well image

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

     

    Joern Paschedag

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Joern Paschedag schrieb:

     

    Hi Klaus,

    apart from all this trouble it is nice to hear a (very short) word from

    you and I hope you are doing well image

     

    That's exactly what I was about to write. image

     

    Tilmann

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Joern Paschedag schrieb:

     

    Hi Klaus,

    apart from all this trouble it is nice to hear a (very short) word from

    you and I hope you are doing well image

     

    That's exactly what I was about to write. image

     

    Tilmann

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 28.01.2017 17:50, Tilmann Reh wrote:

    Joern Paschedag schrieb:

     

    Hi Klaus,

    apart from all this trouble it is nice to hear a (very short) word from

    you and I hope you are doing well image

     

    That's exactly what I was about to write. image

     

    Tilmann

     

    Ditto image

     

    Klaus should maybe write the story of Eagle from the early days upto

    today image

     

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Tilmann Reh schrieb:

    Joern Paschedag schrieb:

     

    Hi Klaus,

    apart from all this trouble it is nice to hear a (very short) word from

    you and I hope you are doing well image

     

    That's exactly what I was about to write. image

     

    Tilmann

     

     

    ME2 image

     

    Andreas

     

     

     

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