Hi, could someone please provide me a board design sample with a BGA IC so I
can check how it is done? I´ve never designed a board with suck package, and
I have some doubts about it.
Regards,
Hi, could someone please provide me a board design sample with a BGA IC so I
can check how it is done? I´ve never designed a board with suck package, and
I have some doubts about it.
Regards,
"Thiago" <thiago_hr@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
Hi, could someone please provide me a board design sample with a BGA
IC so I
can check how it is done? I´ve never designed a board with suck
package, and
I have some doubts about it.
http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/application_notes/xapp489.pdf
Here are some examples. The cheapest way is to put normal vias between
each ball. The more expensive is microvias IN the pads. Some
manufacturers can fill outer layers with copper so that 'normal' vias
can be put ON the balls.
There is nothing to worry about as long as you use a manufacturer that
can do the density that it requires. Ive done it a lot with Eagle.
In article <1440662276307224458.579862mleikvol-
yahoo.nospam@news.cadsoft.de>, mleikvol@yahoo.nospam says...
"Thiago" <thiago_hr@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
Hi, could someone please provide me a board design sample with a BGA
IC so I
can check how it is done? I?ve never designed a board with suck
package, and
I have some doubts about it.
http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/application_notes/xapp489.pdf
Here are some examples. The cheapest way is to put normal vias between
each ball. The more expensive is microvias IN the pads. Some
manufacturers can fill outer layers with copper so that 'normal' vias
can be put ON the balls.
There is nothing to worry about as long as you use a manufacturer that
can do the density that it requires. Ive done it a lot with Eagle.
Thanks, it is a nice ideia... but I am having a hard time placing vias
between the ball pads... my BGA has 0.8mm pitch and 0.3mm balls
diameter. My PCB manufacturer requires 0.2mm Drill... but the via still
has a ring too big to fit between the pads...
"Thiago" wrote
Thanks, it is a nice ideia... but I am having a hard time placing vias
between the ball pads... my BGA has 0.8mm pitch and 0.3mm balls
diameter. My PCB manufacturer requires 0.2mm Drill... but the via still
has a ring too big to fit between the pads...
>
The manufacturer will specify the minimum drill diameter for the via and the
min width of the copper around the hole.
You change the width of the copper around a via drill hole using the
"restring" setting in the DCR. (DRC/Restring)
Now you have vias in clear space between the balls you then need to ensure
you have a "clearance" to the balls that is greater than the minimum
distance requirements set in the DRC/Clearance for 'different' signals
HTH
Warren
"Thiago" wrote
Thanks, it is a nice ideia... but I am having a hard time placing vias
between the ball pads... my BGA has 0.8mm pitch and 0.3mm balls
diameter. My PCB manufacturer requires 0.2mm Drill... but the via still
has a ring too big to fit between the pads...
>
The manufacturer will specify the minimum drill diameter for the via and the
min width of the copper around the hole.
You change the width of the copper around a via drill hole using the
"restring" setting in the DCR. (DRC/Restring)
Now you have vias in clear space between the balls you then need to ensure
you have a "clearance" to the balls that is greater than the minimum
distance requirements set in the DRC/Clearance for 'different' signals
HTH
Warren
warrenbrayshaw wrote on Tue, 28 September 2010 17:48
"Thiago" wrote
Thanks, it is a nice ideia... but I am having a hard time placing
vias
between the ball pads... my BGA has 0.8mm pitch and 0.3mm balls
diameter. My PCB manufacturer requires 0.2mm Drill... but the via
still
has a ring too big to fit between the pads...
>
The manufacturer will specify the minimum drill diameter for the via
and the
min width of the copper around the hole.
You change the width of the copper around a via drill hole using the
"restring" setting in the DCR. (DRC/Restring)
Now you have vias in clear space between the balls you then need to
ensure
you have a "clearance" to the balls that is greater than the minimum
distance requirements set in the DRC/Clearance for 'different' signals
You can certainly get EAGLE to handle BGA's--I have 4 of them on the board
I'm currently working on.
Here's what I do to start with BGA's. Once you have the infrastructure
right the rest is much easier:
1) Add BGA device to the schematic (added to the PCB automatically)
2) Go to PCB and set grid to be 1/2 of the ball grid pitch (so 0.4mm for
0.8mm-pitch BGA).
3) Move the BGA package but hold down the CTRL key (CMD in MAC) so that it
snaps to the current grid. Doing this now means that when you place the
vias they will be exactly at the center of the space which gives you the
most margin.
4) Now add a few vias of the size you intend. Run the DRC. If there are
errors either change the via size or the Via rest-ring setting in the DRC.
Iterate until you don't have any DRC errors. Doing this smartly will give
you the loosest manufacturing requirements to meet your design needs.
5) Now route a trace of the minimum width you are allowed with your
manufacturing process to make sure it won't give you a DRC error when
routed through the grid array.
If you get that far then you have the settings that you'll need to use.
When routing out of the BGA always change to that grid to place the via and
it will be perfect every time. EAGLE 5's "grid last" command is handy for
this.
Also, if you ever have to move that section of the circuit make sure you
move it by a multiple of the BGA grid so the vias stay on grid. If it ever
gets off it's way harder to deal with--trust me, I know.
Hope that helps. With this approach I have successfully laid out many,
many boards that have BGA's on them.
James.
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